Message from @Dennafen

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2018-06-10 21:21:58 UTC  

I'm not condemning you for being dismissive I've asked you what makes for a valid opinion verses and invalid one, and you response is "journalism".

2018-06-10 21:22:09 UTC  

i think your fine to dismiss opinions, i dont think your fine to make accusations of character against other people especially if i can point out how that adhom doesent matter

2018-06-10 21:23:30 UTC  

I don't have an answer to your question becuase you're talking about a different subject than the one I am speaking of. @Dennafen

2018-06-10 21:23:56 UTC  

I was specifically talking about that video.

2018-06-10 21:23:58 UTC  

truth is established with observation and rationalization. journalists cover observation (unfortunately most slipping in rationalization that doesent matter and often twists the observation when they dont just doctor the observation in the first place) where as armchair commentators cover rationalization by presenting a broader perspective onto the observation

2018-06-10 21:24:03 UTC  

What can I say? An opinion is probably more valid if it's actually true or well reasoned.

2018-06-10 21:24:23 UTC  

Truth claims aren't opinions.

2018-06-10 21:24:26 UTC  

Oh I didnt watch the video I just saw the thumbnail and already knew I didnt like it purely for its presentation.

2018-06-10 21:24:37 UTC  

Sure.

2018-06-10 21:24:44 UTC  

Two people can be working with the exact same facts and come up with totally different opinions.

2018-06-10 21:24:53 UTC  

Different conclusions.

2018-06-10 21:25:02 UTC  

No opinions.

2018-06-10 21:25:21 UTC  

Opinions as to explain the facts.

2018-06-10 21:26:00 UTC  

Opinions are expressions of what is correct not what is factual.

2018-06-10 21:26:19 UTC  

What one ought to do as opposed to what one is.

2018-06-10 21:26:22 UTC  

I've got a feeling you're debating for the sake of debating. What is to be gained from this? I'm just a bloke that casually came by and saw that video and thought: ''oh great another one of those commentators with a sunglassed persona, like we didn't have enough of those.''

2018-06-10 21:27:36 UTC  

So if tim had a cartoon avatar with sunglasses what he said would be of no interest to you.

2018-06-10 21:27:37 UTC  

Perhaps their opinions aren't less valid. For me it was about presentation.\

2018-06-10 21:28:04 UTC  

Well mostly because authentic journalists don't portray themselves as such.

2018-06-10 21:28:30 UTC  

I don't see Kraut and Tea walking out on the street interviewing people, due to anonimity. Which is why those people use personas to begin with.

2018-06-10 21:28:33 UTC  

You mean like Ben Shaperio and David Pakman?

2018-06-10 21:28:40 UTC  

They want to be anonymous and thereby are confined to the internet.

2018-06-10 21:28:42 UTC  

Those beacons of objectivity.

2018-06-10 21:29:13 UTC  

Ben Shapiro isn't a journalist

2018-06-10 21:29:31 UTC  

Neither is David Pakman.

2018-06-10 21:29:32 UTC  

consitering steve crowder goes to the street and even he isint honest im not sure thats grounds for being trustworthy

2018-06-10 21:29:43 UTC  

But they report facts.

2018-06-10 21:29:46 UTC  

Okay.

2018-06-10 21:31:13 UTC  

From the start it was about me having a preference for people that are engaged on the streets, aren't anonymous internet users, and emphasize being objective and reporting news.

2018-06-10 21:31:17 UTC  

That's really all I can say.

2018-06-10 21:31:43 UTC  

Non of that has anything to do with opinion.

2018-06-10 21:31:49 UTC  

Exactly.

2018-06-10 21:31:50 UTC  

Precisely.

2018-06-10 21:32:09 UTC  

So why did you demean their ability to have a valid one?

2018-06-10 21:32:15 UTC  

I didn't.

2018-06-10 21:32:19 UTC  

This is your gripe with me

2018-06-10 21:32:42 UTC  

"They're not great thinkers, they're not informed scholars, they're just random plebs with opinions just like the rest of us"

2018-06-10 21:32:42 UTC  

Listen, you must understand that this conversation can't go anywhere because we both have a different interpretation on what it means to demean something

2018-06-10 21:32:47 UTC  

Yes.

2018-06-10 21:32:52 UTC  

That wasn't an insult

2018-06-10 21:33:06 UTC  

I said they were as valid as I am because all they do is give their opinions on things, but not doing any actual reporting.