@Deleted User I understand, but allowing a business to discriminate on their religion and next a business will refuse to serve black people

And I think a large number of gay couples would've just gone on with their lives and found another shop.

I'm sure that's thing already

A business that refuses to serve black people is actively cutting off business, it may try to do it, but it won't last.

If one business refuses to serve black people, they lose revenue. And, more people refuse to come because the owners are racist. Free market will ensure that the place goes bankrupt

It's the beauty of capitalism

Before the Jim Crow laws, businesses were not interested in discrimination based on race because it harmed their profits.

^^yeep!

Sowell's most recent book talks about it at length.

@Deleted User @Rils have neither of you heard of the restaurant that refused to serve black people in 1964, and the supreme court ruled using the "commerce clause" that the federal government had the authority to compel a business to not discriminate because it would affect interstate travel?

Could you be more specific?

I gotta look that up. Maybe it was due to it's location

1964 would've been at the tail end of Jim Crow

As a sidebar, I disagree with that assessment, racial discrimination has nothing to do with interstate commerce and shouldn't be under the purview of the commerce clause.

@Deleted User @Rils wait. Seriously you've never heard of this? Am I that old?

I'm indian, sorry

I haven't heard about this vague event.

I'm 38

I'm 17....

Katzenbach v. McClung?

The restaurant acted specifically to push back against government overreach.

That one, also Heart of Atlanta Hotel vs United States

let it be know the first real debate was actually this server and its new authoritarian ruleset 😛

I kid btw

The commerce clause was intended to keep the Federal government from becoming involved in local commerce, but the courts have stretched it so far that almost everything is interstate commerce and so the Federal government has authority.

Okay, so quick back story from an "old man" about why you no longer see "whites only" signs in the United states , as soon as I get done playing with my dog that seems to be wanting my attention

well the internet kinda made everything interstate commerce

not to mention most transactions are handled via credit card terminals which means most data is proably transfered over state lines

so where do you actually draw the line between local and interstate transaction now?

(this is not an argument one way or another, just bringing up points)

If my business only pays with cash and only accepts cash, would I be exempt?

I would say so, but im no lawyer

im just saying the lines between intrastate and interstate commerce has significally blurred (imo) since the advent of the internet and digital payment technologies

Prepping for a discussion;
race and crime: cultural Vs biological.

(Is the disproportionate representation of crime due to cultural/socioeconomic factors, or is it a biological difference; that blacks are just de-facto more violent?)

(Not gonna mention which side I'm intending to argue, as I want information from all sides.)

As is mentioned in "Theory of Race" by Wilson (1995), the discussion is "mired in an unproductive mix of controversy and silence" - and it's proving difficult to find sources that are up to date and relevant. Any helpful links would be much appreciated, if anyone has any to hand. (@tag me)

Nurture > nature

nurture = nature

morals are taught, not inherited

how we are nurtured effects our genetic growth and our ability to produce offspring, a minor example of that can be found here http://ccf.org/reproductiveresearchcenter/docs/agradoc356.pdf the effect of how you live your life on the life you bring into the world is noticible even on a genetic level given large populations and long scales of time this becomes the nature as culture and envirnments effect selection processes within the species which produces ofspring with different traits than those found outside the group that is breeding most often with itself than any outside group.

_Is this guy asking us to do his research for him_

that would be amusing

would be funny if i somehow got roped into doing that for someone to do a public debate