Message from @Rils
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this is why i tend to think the right is the only side that has groups of people that actually support the lower class and poor. the left has a scattered few but dont have any organization because of the liberal and progressive domination. the right, specificly the new right is mostly people from the bottom and middle of society directing politicians for their own interest while the left pits different groups of people who may or may not have different populations which are disproporationally lower or poor classes against eachother via identity
making more of a wave lately
Thats poorly done hatchet job imo
well it is the daily mail
@JDM_WAAAT It's not so much that the rules are bad, it's that there *are* rules at all.
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why should I care
rules exist so discord doesn't nuke this server
"these rules violate my NAP"
You could've at least led with the "I don't care what your opinion is" approach instead of giving us the illusion of the contrary
So I wanted to propose a compromise to satisfy both sides on the denying of cakes for a gay wedding. The bakery must sell cakes to anyone, but can deny creating a cake that he believes would violate his religion. IE: no rainbows or topping with 2 grooms
I mean
I'm just saying give me a reason besides "rules are bad"
why does it feel like i keep seeing half a debate here? 😛
@kilo (twitter-imkilo) isn't that literally what we have in reality already?
I'm pretty sure that's actually what Masterpiece Cake Shop was about
@Deleted User @Rils great. So we all agree that Masterpiece should have just sold a white tiered cake with flowers and that way everyone is happy.
From what I'm reading, they never got that far.
`The facts of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission are simple. Charlie Craig and David Mullins visited the Masterpiece bakery and looked through a photo album of custom-designed cakes. When the owner, Jack Phillips, greeted them, they told him (according to his own testimony) that they “wanted a wedding cake for ‘our wedding.’” Phillips told them that he did not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. They left immediately without discussing any details of their proposed wedding cake.`
Yeah, but they didn't get that far
You can't sell simple white cakes for weddings, you see
Wedding cakes have to be customised for the occasion
He could've made a fairly generic wedding cake, they're usually not specifically decorated aside from the topper.
A generic wedding cake. I'm sorry, that sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Wedding cakes aren't generic, they really have to be painstakingly designed
It's takes between 3 to 6 hours
By generic I mean subscribing to the standard designs
Most wedding cakes are not indicative of the genders of the couple save for the topper.
Yeah, but it goes against his religion to make cakes for weddings he disagrees with, so that's a problem too
You know what would have been better? If they just went to a different fucking Baker
I agree
Instead it looks like they wanted to have it out
@Deleted User I'm trying to find a way for the gay couple and the Baker to leave happy. "I don't want to do a gay wedding cake, but I will do a generic wedding cake and you do with it what you will" and then they say "no thanks"
anyone wanna debate about gaddafi?
They never got that far though, so we're purely in a hypothetical scenario.
But that's the thing, he doesn't want to accomodate the wedding because it goes against his religion @kilo (twitter-imkilo)
In any manner
It still would've been up to the gay couple to not file a civil rights greivance
@Deleted User I understand, but allowing a business to discriminate on their religion and next a business will refuse to serve black people