Message from @kilo (twitter-imkilo)

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2018-07-01 21:20:19 UTC  

hes the 1%

2018-07-01 21:22:07 UTC  

i think that the progressives beleive what they say but dont actually represent the people they say they stand for

2018-07-01 21:22:34 UTC  

not that i think the liberals do either

2018-07-01 21:22:53 UTC  

an honest liberal is someone who stands for the middle class ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-07-01 21:23:16 UTC  

How do you help the middle class?

2018-07-01 21:24:38 UTC  

depends on if its threatened, a while after the middle class was established they basicly went from defending its existance and the freedoms it should have (which were graciously extended to everyone) is trying to get rid of the middle class by rising themselves up to the upper class at any oppertunity

2018-07-01 21:25:14 UTC  

liberalism is the ideology of the birth of capitalism and the middle class

2018-07-01 21:25:45 UTC  

using democracy to create an elite that the economic system can create rather than the established nobility

2018-07-01 21:26:54 UTC  

then themselves often rising to that elite while keeping the middle class in existance in order to put a boundry between them and the lower class though it also helps that a lot of different industrys developt that rely on a middle class to exist

2018-07-01 21:30:09 UTC  

this is why i tend to think the right is the only side that has groups of people that actually support the lower class and poor. the left has a scattered few but dont have any organization because of the liberal and progressive domination. the right, specificly the new right is mostly people from the bottom and middle of society directing politicians for their own interest while the left pits different groups of people who may or may not have different populations which are disproporationally lower or poor classes against eachother via identity

2018-07-01 21:42:19 UTC  

making more of a wave lately

2018-07-01 21:57:13 UTC  

Thats poorly done hatchet job imo

2018-07-01 21:57:55 UTC  

well it is the daily mail

2018-07-01 22:28:07 UTC  

@JDM_WAAAT It's not so much that the rules are bad, it's that there *are* rules at all.

2018-07-01 22:29:09 UTC  

k

2018-07-01 22:29:12 UTC  

why should I care

2018-07-01 22:29:26 UTC  

rules exist so discord doesn't nuke this server

2018-07-01 22:31:19 UTC  

"these rules violate my NAP"

2018-07-01 22:31:52 UTC  

You could've at least led with the "I don't care what your opinion is" approach instead of giving us the illusion of the contrary

2018-07-01 23:22:17 UTC  

So I wanted to propose a compromise to satisfy both sides on the denying of cakes for a gay wedding. The bakery must sell cakes to anyone, but can deny creating a cake that he believes would violate his religion. IE: no rainbows or topping with 2 grooms

2018-07-01 23:22:42 UTC  

I mean

2018-07-01 23:22:53 UTC  

I'm just saying give me a reason besides "rules are bad"

2018-07-01 23:47:16 UTC  

why does it feel like i keep seeing half a debate here? ๐Ÿ˜›

2018-07-01 23:56:17 UTC  

@kilo (twitter-imkilo) isn't that literally what we have in reality already?

2018-07-01 23:56:49 UTC  

I'm pretty sure that's actually what Masterpiece Cake Shop was about

2018-07-02 00:01:22 UTC  

@Deleted User @Rils great. So we all agree that Masterpiece should have just sold a white tiered cake with flowers and that way everyone is happy.

2018-07-02 00:01:35 UTC  

From what I'm reading, they never got that far.

2018-07-02 00:01:50 UTC  

`The facts of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission are simple. Charlie Craig and David Mullins visited the Masterpiece bakery and looked through a photo album of custom-designed cakes. When the owner, Jack Phillips, greeted them, they told him (according to his own testimony) that they โ€œwanted a wedding cake for โ€˜our wedding.โ€™โ€ Phillips told them that he did not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. They left immediately without discussing any details of their proposed wedding cake.`

2018-07-02 00:02:02 UTC  

Yeah, but they didn't get that far

2018-07-02 00:02:20 UTC  

You can't sell simple white cakes for weddings, you see

2018-07-02 00:02:42 UTC  

Wedding cakes have to be customised for the occasion

2018-07-02 00:02:54 UTC  

He could've made a fairly generic wedding cake, they're usually not specifically decorated aside from the topper.

2018-07-02 00:03:27 UTC  

A generic wedding cake. I'm sorry, that sounds like an oxymoron to me.

2018-07-02 00:04:00 UTC  

Wedding cakes aren't generic, they really have to be painstakingly designed

2018-07-02 00:04:19 UTC  

It's takes between 3 to 6 hours

2018-07-02 00:04:28 UTC  

By generic I mean subscribing to the standard designs

2018-07-02 00:04:57 UTC  

Most wedding cakes are not indicative of the genders of the couple save for the topper.

2018-07-02 00:05:33 UTC  

Yeah, but it goes against his religion to make cakes for weddings he disagrees with, so that's a problem too

2018-07-02 00:06:00 UTC  

You know what would have been better? If they just went to a different fucking Baker