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sure but it does point to whos listening to her
people who buy things?
sure
but yeah I don't think socialists realize how much capitalism enables
go ask people of Venezuela if they can go out and buy products like that
The Americans who promote socialism are probably wealthy enough such that they don't experience deprivation.
they are mostly from middle class familys
i like how theres more debate in news than here π
Insert photo of Bernie driving his Lexus here.
bernie is upper class now
but any politician is
what are you talkinga bout
hes the 1%
i think that the progressives beleive what they say but dont actually represent the people they say they stand for
not that i think the liberals do either
an honest liberal is someone who stands for the middle class π
How do you help the middle class?
depends on if its threatened, a while after the middle class was established they basicly went from defending its existance and the freedoms it should have (which were graciously extended to everyone) is trying to get rid of the middle class by rising themselves up to the upper class at any oppertunity
liberalism is the ideology of the birth of capitalism and the middle class
using democracy to create an elite that the economic system can create rather than the established nobility
then themselves often rising to that elite while keeping the middle class in existance in order to put a boundry between them and the lower class though it also helps that a lot of different industrys developt that rely on a middle class to exist
this is why i tend to think the right is the only side that has groups of people that actually support the lower class and poor. the left has a scattered few but dont have any organization because of the liberal and progressive domination. the right, specificly the new right is mostly people from the bottom and middle of society directing politicians for their own interest while the left pits different groups of people who may or may not have different populations which are disproporationally lower or poor classes against eachother via identity
making more of a wave lately
Thats poorly done hatchet job imo
well it is the daily mail
@JDM_WAAAT It's not so much that the rules are bad, it's that there *are* rules at all.
k
why should I care
rules exist so discord doesn't nuke this server
"these rules violate my NAP"
You could've at least led with the "I don't care what your opinion is" approach instead of giving us the illusion of the contrary
So I wanted to propose a compromise to satisfy both sides on the denying of cakes for a gay wedding. The bakery must sell cakes to anyone, but can deny creating a cake that he believes would violate his religion. IE: no rainbows or topping with 2 grooms
I mean
I'm just saying give me a reason besides "rules are bad"
why does it feel like i keep seeing half a debate here? π
@kilo (twitter-imkilo) isn't that literally what we have in reality already?
I'm pretty sure that's actually what Masterpiece Cake Shop was about
@Deleted User @Rils great. So we all agree that Masterpiece should have just sold a white tiered cake with flowers and that way everyone is happy.
From what I'm reading, they never got that far.
`The facts of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission are simple. Charlie Craig and David Mullins visited the Masterpiece bakery and looked through a photo album of custom-designed cakes. When the owner, Jack Phillips, greeted them, they told him (according to his own testimony) that they βwanted a wedding cake for βour wedding.ββ Phillips told them that he did not create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. They left immediately without discussing any details of their proposed wedding cake.`