Message from @citizen
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do you stand your ground or retreat?
where is the line in the sand
Gadsden Flag is yellow and green.
with text and outlines.
Also, it predates the Ancap flag, whose principles you are arguing.
NAP only works if its enforced
In an ancap society, there is no sovereignty of force, so anyone strong enough can overthrow another
And the biggest number are the collective with a strong warlord leader
no, you guys just randomly started stawman attacking me.... AS IF YOU ALL don't live by the NAP either
^ ^ ^ what Wol said.
I live by NAP, cuz of law
how do you enforce the nap.... isn't that the irony of it?
^ ^ ^ ^
BINGO
And THAT is what the state exists for
@citizen NAP isnt pacifism.... it include self-defense as legit form of violence
Nothing more, nothing less.
you enforce the NAP through a social agreement, solidified by giving the government power to maintain order
And having that govrnment be accountable to the people it maintains
the NAP includes stand-your-ground
The government protects people in case of violation
And outside that, people agree not to violate each others rights
The only tweaks our system needed along the way were, funny enough, to recognize all people as people.
like is it a nirvanic concept where death is accepted due to the nature of reincarnation so if you die then that is the predestined reality that you were supposed to die in that multiverse plane?
I cam from behind you and put gun to your head, violating the NAP. What do you do ? You can do nothing and there is no one else that can help you because I have no violeted NAP against them.. or ?
An-cap principles are as utopian as marxism.
They depend on people doing what they're supposed to.
Yes, and who is going to violate it? someone who knows they'll win
and stomp out those who disagree
Fair game, how?
i am anti victim... i think violence should be more controlled and understood... i mean we WERE savages, so we need to get our energy out..... or encourage exercise? everyone needs a gym or a park to run around in and get that energy out.
Its illegal to annex other countries, yet the Soviets did it
Who determines the hard lines of the NAP, and who violates it?
Or is it to be determined in the moment?
The funny thing is
Both Ancap and Marxism, get crushed by the opposing side
Ancaps are too separated and individual, and will be destroyed by the masses guided by a warlord-like figure
And Marxists are too collectivised, so that no one is allowed to rule or be smart, so the individuals can play the system and win/gain control
Is justice supposed to come as swiftly as the judge of the situation can draw his gun?
Will all violations of the NAP be met with the same level of justice, regardless of severity?
The nap is a great ideal for oneself though. i do not believe it could be enforced, thats not very NAP-ien. i do think we need more nuclear family homes, we need to encourage open honest communication with people who are close to you. Raise your kids, love your family, build your community.
everybody likes to take a nap too.... so there's that.
you guys keep trying to paint me as an ancap ... smh.... iono who youre arguing with
wth man, we're not trying to paint you
we're debating, and you ahve taken the ancap side
no one is doing that.. you started arguing about NAP