Message from @Poptarts

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2018-07-07 23:16:50 UTC  

Do you teach the NAP.... its funny im sure ive come across it, ive read Loki and Mill, but i mean yeah. pacificsm in the face of non adversary sure

2018-07-07 23:16:51 UTC  

Non-aggression principle

2018-07-07 23:17:08 UTC  

but what happens when the bully comes

2018-07-07 23:17:14 UTC  

my avatar is just a yin yang of koi fish, and the colors are cool. the Gadsden flag is black and yellow too... same with the State of Jefferson movement

2018-07-07 23:17:16 UTC  

do you stand your ground or retreat?

2018-07-07 23:17:32 UTC  

where is the line in the sand

2018-07-07 23:17:39 UTC  

Gadsden Flag is yellow and green.

2018-07-07 23:17:45 UTC  

with text and outlines.

2018-07-07 23:18:35 UTC  

Also, it predates the Ancap flag, whose principles you are arguing.

2018-07-07 23:18:38 UTC  

NAP only works if its enforced

In an ancap society, there is no sovereignty of force, so anyone strong enough can overthrow another

And the biggest number are the collective with a strong warlord leader

2018-07-07 23:18:38 UTC  

no, you guys just randomly started stawman attacking me.... AS IF YOU ALL don't live by the NAP either

2018-07-07 23:18:46 UTC  

^ ^ ^ what Wol said.

2018-07-07 23:18:53 UTC  

I live by NAP, cuz of law

2018-07-07 23:19:10 UTC  

how do you enforce the nap.... isn't that the irony of it?

2018-07-07 23:19:14 UTC  

^ ^ ^ ^

2018-07-07 23:19:15 UTC  

BINGO

2018-07-07 23:19:30 UTC  

And THAT is what the state exists for

2018-07-07 23:19:31 UTC  

@citizen NAP isnt pacifism.... it include self-defense as legit form of violence

2018-07-07 23:19:34 UTC  

Nothing more, nothing less.

2018-07-07 23:19:42 UTC  

you enforce the NAP through a social agreement, solidified by giving the government power to maintain order

And having that govrnment be accountable to the people it maintains

2018-07-07 23:20:05 UTC  

the NAP includes stand-your-ground

2018-07-07 23:20:08 UTC  

The government protects people in case of violation
And outside that, people agree not to violate each others rights

2018-07-07 23:20:13 UTC  

The only tweaks our system needed along the way were, funny enough, to recognize all people as people.

2018-07-07 23:20:20 UTC  

like is it a nirvanic concept where death is accepted due to the nature of reincarnation so if you die then that is the predestined reality that you were supposed to die in that multiverse plane?

2018-07-07 23:20:40 UTC  

sorry i am not smart so you get runons... you're gonna get hop ons

2018-07-07 23:20:45 UTC  

I cam from behind you and put gun to your head, violating the NAP. What do you do ? You can do nothing and there is no one else that can help you because I have no violeted NAP against them.. or ?

2018-07-07 23:20:51 UTC  

An-cap principles are as utopian as marxism.

2018-07-07 23:21:01 UTC  

They depend on people doing what they're supposed to.

2018-07-07 23:21:23 UTC  

@Dr.Wol @RyeNorth you have misconceptions of the reality of human nature.... if somone violates the NAP... and it's illegal to violate the NAP..... they are fair game!

2018-07-07 23:21:37 UTC  

Yes, and who is going to violate it? someone who knows they'll win

2018-07-07 23:21:42 UTC  

and stomp out those who disagree

2018-07-07 23:21:42 UTC  

Fair game, how?

2018-07-07 23:21:43 UTC  

i am anti victim... i think violence should be more controlled and understood... i mean we WERE savages, so we need to get our energy out..... or encourage exercise? everyone needs a gym or a park to run around in and get that energy out.

2018-07-07 23:21:53 UTC  

Its illegal to annex other countries, yet the Soviets did it

2018-07-07 23:22:10 UTC  

Who determines the hard lines of the NAP, and who violates it?

2018-07-07 23:22:29 UTC  

Or is it to be determined in the moment?

2018-07-07 23:22:59 UTC  

The funny thing is

Both Ancap and Marxism, get crushed by the opposing side

Ancaps are too separated and individual, and will be destroyed by the masses guided by a warlord-like figure

And Marxists are too collectivised, so that no one is allowed to rule or be smart, so the individuals can play the system and win/gain control

2018-07-07 23:23:03 UTC  

Is justice supposed to come as swiftly as the judge of the situation can draw his gun?

2018-07-07 23:23:30 UTC  

Will all violations of the NAP be met with the same level of justice, regardless of severity?

2018-07-07 23:24:05 UTC  

The nap is a great ideal for oneself though. i do not believe it could be enforced, thats not very NAP-ien. i do think we need more nuclear family homes, we need to encourage open honest communication with people who are close to you. Raise your kids, love your family, build your community.

2018-07-07 23:24:18 UTC  

everybody likes to take a nap too.... so there's that.