Message from @Blackhawk342

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2018-07-08 18:32:33 UTC  

Just wanting the perks but none of the responsibilities

2018-07-08 18:33:11 UTC  

Do you know any source where I can read about that? Because everything I've heard says that they COULDN'T vote no matter what, but it was commonly accepted that if they were given the right to vote it would come with the responsibility of being forced to enter the draft

2018-07-08 18:33:12 UTC  

is there a discussion currently in progress

2018-07-08 18:34:20 UTC  

And also many considered it to be a pointless right since everyone got married early back then, and 90% of them were just going to vote what their husband did anyways, so double the votes on both sides wasn't going to help them much

2018-07-08 18:35:12 UTC  

But yeah there was a lot of shit back then that still exists in the 3rd wave

2018-07-08 18:35:16 UTC  

Not even a discussion, since the answer is commonly accepted here.

2018-07-08 18:35:32 UTC  

ok

2018-07-08 18:35:40 UTC  

then I might be able to ask my weird scenario thingy

2018-07-08 18:35:58 UTC  

go for it

2018-07-08 18:36:33 UTC  

a group of white supremacist athletes form a badass team in order to *prove* white supremacy. the sport they play or league they play in doesn't matter, so long as it's one that is extremely popular and has plenty of strong competitors.

they are undefeated.

though they stay silent about their goal, especially in the public eye, their goal is revealed to the public through someone. perhaps their Twitter was hacked or something. this was definitely their goal, there is no question about that. however, afterwards, there is talk of permanently banning the team and its members from playing.

what do you think about this situation? should they be allowed to play? why or why not?

2018-07-08 18:37:20 UTC  

Well, should let them stay right? People play sports for their own reasons.

2018-07-08 18:37:45 UTC  

If a person does something, why should the intent matter as long as the action was good.

2018-07-08 18:38:11 UTC  

Maybe not good, more like, the action does not harm anybody.

2018-07-08 18:38:22 UTC  

To me that sounds like they're banning people for thought crimes

2018-07-08 18:38:23 UTC  

Well, and hopefully, that will inspire some non racists to prove them wrong.

2018-07-08 18:38:46 UTC  

Yeah, but playing against them and hosting them is going to likely ruin your business

2018-07-08 18:38:51 UTC  

A ban caused by someone having the wrong beliefs is not good.

2018-07-08 18:38:56 UTC  

I don't know enough about how sports leagues are structured

2018-07-08 18:38:56 UTC  

I've asked a few others about that

2018-07-08 18:39:09 UTC  

Why would it ruin it? wouldnt everyone turn out in droves to see the supremacists proven wrong?

2018-07-08 18:39:55 UTC  

I don't think so especially not when it's clear they're going to keep winning given their record (which is probably unrelated to their race)

2018-07-08 18:40:01 UTC  

Also, this is also a question on whether intent affects the action

2018-07-08 18:40:22 UTC  

Every titan has to fall at somepoint, sports crowds would eat up the undefeated team getting taken down

2018-07-08 18:40:26 UTC  

some of the stuff I've gotten from others is that, for example, if they used money, fame, and influenced gained from their success in the sport to bring about a white supremacist revival, then we have to deal with that shit all over again

2018-07-08 18:40:53 UTC  

Then that is preemptively punishment

2018-07-08 18:40:55 UTC  

But we don't know they're going to do that

2018-07-08 18:41:04 UTC  

YOu are punishing someone for something that hasnt happened.

2018-07-08 18:41:11 UTC  

my stance was simple: I'm not a sports fan, but I'm a fan of excellence and monstrous shit talking, I would get into whatever sport they played just to see the game where they lose, or even the one where they almost lose

2018-07-08 18:41:44 UTC  

I love the idea that someone would have the gall to think they could do that

2018-07-08 18:42:09 UTC  

it reminds me of Muhammad Ali, naming himself after the legend, and then producing a similar legend in actuality

2018-07-08 18:42:33 UTC  

To be honest, most people who do sports do it for something they believe in.

2018-07-08 18:42:39 UTC  

Everyone loves a shittalker but they have to back it up on the field

2018-07-08 18:42:41 UTC  

I think it would be disastrous PR for anyone hosting them. Just look at how someone as milquetoast as Jordan Peterson gets treated when he attends an event. These are ACTUAL white supremacists

2018-07-08 18:43:08 UTC  

that's another thing I considered

2018-07-08 18:43:09 UTC  

You are right, I was thinking from the ethics standpoint, not the practicality.

2018-07-08 18:43:10 UTC  

Nah, its the same shit with the kneeling scandal

2018-07-08 18:43:31 UTC  

everyone who followed football before then will tell you that kappernick was garbage and about to be traded away before he pulled that stunt

2018-07-08 18:44:00 UTC  

there's the flipside of that though: while it may be "disastrous PR" it would also be... is the right word infamous?

2018-07-08 18:44:19 UTC  

you know, the stupid thing they try to do with actual boxers?

2018-07-08 18:44:26 UTC  

"I'M GONNA WHOOP HIS ASS!!"