1st and 2nd wave had a lot of questionable elements to them as well, we only remember the good ones

Like the suffragettes(NOT the suffragists) were terrorists at times. Firebombing buildings, throwing axes at politicians, defacing art, etc.

That is true.

Well, and that they could vote, if they served like men. Just that women were not required to be part of the draft.

Could they actually? I thought it was that most women didn't want the right to vote because it would've come with the draft

Which of course fuck them. They were denying others their rights because they didn't want them

Like I said, if the women signed up for the draft, which alot of them didnt, they would be able to vote as well.

It was a right they were willing to sacrifice for another.

Which is strange.

Like men still ahve to sign up, women dont have to,

Just wanting the perks but none of the responsibilities

Do you know any source where I can read about that? Because everything I've heard says that they COULDN'T vote no matter what, but it was commonly accepted that if they were given the right to vote it would come with the responsibility of being forced to enter the draft

is there a discussion currently in progress

And also many considered it to be a pointless right since everyone got married early back then, and 90% of them were just going to vote what their husband did anyways, so double the votes on both sides wasn't going to help them much

But yeah there was a lot of shit back then that still exists in the 3rd wave

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokeby_Venus#Vandalism,_1914

Not even a discussion, since the answer is commonly accepted here.

ok

then I might be able to ask my weird scenario thingy

go for it

a group of white supremacist athletes form a badass team in order to *prove* white supremacy. the sport they play or league they play in doesn't matter, so long as it's one that is extremely popular and has plenty of strong competitors.

they are undefeated.

though they stay silent about their goal, especially in the public eye, their goal is revealed to the public through someone. perhaps their Twitter was hacked or something. this was definitely their goal, there is no question about that. however, afterwards, there is talk of permanently banning the team and its members from playing.

what do you think about this situation? should they be allowed to play? why or why not?

Well, should let them stay right? People play sports for their own reasons.

If a person does something, why should the intent matter as long as the action was good.

Maybe not good, more like, the action does not harm anybody.

To me that sounds like they're banning people for thought crimes

Well, and hopefully, that will inspire some non racists to prove them wrong.

Yeah, but playing against them and hosting them is going to likely ruin your business

A ban caused by someone having the wrong beliefs is not good.

I don't know enough about how sports leagues are structured

I've asked a few others about that

Why would it ruin it? wouldnt everyone turn out in droves to see the supremacists proven wrong?

I don't think so especially not when it's clear they're going to keep winning given their record (which is probably unrelated to their race)

Also, this is also a question on whether intent affects the action

Every titan has to fall at somepoint, sports crowds would eat up the undefeated team getting taken down

some of the stuff I've gotten from others is that, for example, if they used money, fame, and influenced gained from their success in the sport to bring about a white supremacist revival, then we have to deal with that shit all over again

Then that is preemptively punishment

But we don't know they're going to do that

YOu are punishing someone for something that hasnt happened.

my stance was simple: I'm not a sports fan, but I'm a fan of excellence and monstrous shit talking, I would get into whatever sport they played just to see the game where they lose, or even the one where they almost lose

I love the idea that someone would have the gall to think they could do that

it reminds me of Muhammad Ali, naming himself after the legend, and then producing a similar legend in actuality