Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-08 21:03:55 UTC  

They do too

2018-07-08 21:04:15 UTC  

not all of them

2018-07-08 21:04:18 UTC  

But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another

2018-07-08 21:04:34 UTC  

i'd say genetics

2018-07-08 21:04:42 UTC  

chromosome count

2018-07-08 21:04:47 UTC  

state of sentience

2018-07-08 21:04:49 UTC  

But how different do the genetics have to be?

2018-07-08 21:05:02 UTC  

Humans have variability in all of those cases

2018-07-08 21:05:04 UTC  

its not how different

its how similar

2018-07-08 21:05:20 UTC  

That's the same thing worded differently

2018-07-08 21:05:24 UTC  

no its not

2018-07-08 21:05:43 UTC  

how so?

2018-07-08 21:06:09 UTC  

it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc

2018-07-08 21:06:42 UTC  

if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities

If you look at the difference, you pick a different category

It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish

2018-07-08 21:06:45 UTC  

But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)

2018-07-08 21:07:04 UTC  

that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)

2018-07-08 21:07:38 UTC  

Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference

2018-07-08 21:07:50 UTC  

Humans are quite similar to many animals

2018-07-08 21:08:08 UTC  

yes, but it narrows it down considerably

2018-07-08 21:08:16 UTC  

you start from the opposite end basically

2018-07-08 21:08:23 UTC  

true

2018-07-08 21:08:31 UTC  

like i said, its more about a highly evolved state of sentience (spiritual, philosophical, etc)

2018-07-08 21:08:46 UTC  

but either way you put it there's no clear line in how similar you have to be to still be considered a human

2018-07-08 21:08:48 UTC  

less about genetics per se

2018-07-08 21:09:10 UTC  

i'd say to the point that any sample of you can be recognised as human

2018-07-08 21:09:32 UTC  

say you're given a cell, and they check its chromosome count/genome etc

2018-07-08 21:10:11 UTC  

I mean, a dead person, is still the corpse of a human

His state of life (thus lack of sentience) doesn't discount his humanity

2018-07-08 21:10:16 UTC  

but evolution is often a very slow change, and what's seen as anatomically modern human today may vary from those 300 years from now

2018-07-08 21:10:26 UTC  

thats a way of measuring/quantifying one way out of many potential ways outside of biology

2018-07-08 21:11:02 UTC  

well you don't compare with humans of old, you compare to the current average human

2018-07-08 21:11:21 UTC  

its like uhm

2018-07-08 21:12:12 UTC  

We used to be the same primates as modern monkeys

But they aren't human, even though the same generation 100,000 years ago for example would be the same being

2018-07-08 21:13:02 UTC  

We didn't evolve from monkeys

2018-07-08 21:13:07 UTC  

we share a genetic ancestor with them

2018-07-08 21:13:16 UTC  

thats what i said

2018-07-08 21:13:31 UTC  

we used to be the same primates

2018-07-08 21:13:41 UTC  

the elite have a fantasy of splitting us down different evolutionary paths gradually with all the "soft" eugenics going on indirectly and directly

2018-07-08 21:13:41 UTC  

and modern monkeys used to be that same one

2018-07-08 21:14:18 UTC  

the elite aren't smart enough for that

2018-07-08 21:14:29 UTC  

like straight up Eloi/Morlocks from the Time Machine status .... more or less LOL

2018-07-08 21:14:40 UTC  

I wish, then atleast they'd have a plan