Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-08 20:56:30 UTC  

yes

2018-07-08 20:56:49 UTC  

a clone is stil its own person

2018-07-08 20:59:47 UTC  

mhmmmmm 😉 of course.... would he not be human too?

2018-07-08 21:00:00 UTC  

he/she LOL

2018-07-08 21:00:34 UTC  

If it were genetically modified to have no emotions I think it would change quite a bit, but it might be hard to motivate someone like that to work

2018-07-08 21:01:26 UTC  

i would even argue that an GMO clone born of asexual gender type (born steril w/ no reproductive cellular presence) would still be human w/ natural rights

2018-07-08 21:02:18 UTC  

I think there's a fair argument for it not being human, but that if they think and feel like a human does then they deserve all the same rights

2018-07-08 21:02:35 UTC  

so maybe even kind of humanoids would still have human rights most likey.... natural rights that is

2018-07-08 21:02:39 UTC  

sociopaths arent human to you?

2018-07-08 21:02:54 UTC  

and really in that case I'd still want to call them human when not discussing biology

2018-07-08 21:02:56 UTC  

emotion is a small thing for being human

2018-07-08 21:03:09 UTC  

Sociopaths have emotions

2018-07-08 21:03:49 UTC  

psychopath then, whichever is the heartless kind

2018-07-08 21:03:55 UTC  

They do too

2018-07-08 21:04:15 UTC  

not all of them

2018-07-08 21:04:18 UTC  

But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another

2018-07-08 21:04:34 UTC  

i'd say genetics

2018-07-08 21:04:42 UTC  

chromosome count

2018-07-08 21:04:47 UTC  

state of sentience

2018-07-08 21:04:49 UTC  

But how different do the genetics have to be?

2018-07-08 21:05:02 UTC  

Humans have variability in all of those cases

2018-07-08 21:05:04 UTC  

its not how different

its how similar

2018-07-08 21:05:20 UTC  

That's the same thing worded differently

2018-07-08 21:05:24 UTC  

no its not

2018-07-08 21:05:43 UTC  

how so?

2018-07-08 21:06:09 UTC  

it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc

2018-07-08 21:06:42 UTC  

if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities

If you look at the difference, you pick a different category

It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish

2018-07-08 21:06:45 UTC  

But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)

2018-07-08 21:07:04 UTC  

that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)

2018-07-08 21:07:38 UTC  

Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference

2018-07-08 21:07:50 UTC  

Humans are quite similar to many animals

2018-07-08 21:08:08 UTC  

yes, but it narrows it down considerably

2018-07-08 21:08:16 UTC  

you start from the opposite end basically

2018-07-08 21:08:23 UTC  

true

2018-07-08 21:08:31 UTC  

like i said, its more about a highly evolved state of sentience (spiritual, philosophical, etc)

2018-07-08 21:08:46 UTC  

but either way you put it there's no clear line in how similar you have to be to still be considered a human

2018-07-08 21:08:48 UTC  

less about genetics per se

2018-07-08 21:09:10 UTC  

i'd say to the point that any sample of you can be recognised as human

2018-07-08 21:09:32 UTC  

say you're given a cell, and they check its chromosome count/genome etc

2018-07-08 21:10:11 UTC  

I mean, a dead person, is still the corpse of a human

His state of life (thus lack of sentience) doesn't discount his humanity

2018-07-08 21:10:16 UTC  

but evolution is often a very slow change, and what's seen as anatomically modern human today may vary from those 300 years from now