so yeah... influence yes, but not the kind one would have wanted necessarily

and his clone becomes a communist 😄

One of the interesting parts of the manga 'Gantz' was when a teleporter malfunctioned and didn't delete the person's body but still recreated it elsewhere, so now they have two of the same person, and only one of them actually gets to keep their normal life

heh, exactly.... the tragic irony!

Star Trek did that story too

probably got it from them then

Commander Riker was teleported during some storm on an abandoned base

his teleportation was succesful, and backfired

so a duplicate was left on the station for years

another random debate. would it be unethical to force a clone into slavery?

yes

a clone is stil its own person

mhmmmmm 😉 of course.... would he not be human too?

he/she LOL

If it were genetically modified to have no emotions I think it would change quite a bit, but it might be hard to motivate someone like that to work

i would even argue that an GMO clone born of asexual gender type (born steril w/ no reproductive cellular presence) would still be human w/ natural rights

I think there's a fair argument for it not being human, but that if they think and feel like a human does then they deserve all the same rights

so maybe even kind of humanoids would still have human rights most likey.... natural rights that is

sociopaths arent human to you?

and really in that case I'd still want to call them human when not discussing biology

emotion is a small thing for being human

Sociopaths have emotions

psychopath then, whichever is the heartless kind

They do too

not all of them

But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another

i'd say genetics

chromosome count

state of sentience

But how different do the genetics have to be?

Humans have variability in all of those cases

its not how different

its how similar

That's the same thing worded differently

no its not

how so?

it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc

if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities

If you look at the difference, you pick a different category

It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish

But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)

that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)

Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference

Humans are quite similar to many animals

yes, but it narrows it down considerably