Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-08 21:15:07 UTC  

can an AI be human?

2018-07-08 21:15:34 UTC  

Depends on whether you're defining humanity by body/mind/spirit

2018-07-08 21:15:48 UTC  

"not a good idea to create concrete definitions" you dont think that ABSOLUTELY though right?

2018-07-08 21:15:55 UTC  

cuz i mean.... i love eating avocados

2018-07-08 21:16:14 UTC  

Personally I'd say no, but if they are of human intelligence then I'd say they deserve to be treated as humans

2018-07-08 21:16:50 UTC  

yes you treat them as equals, but you don't consider them human, so you do have a definition of what defines a human

2018-07-08 21:16:54 UTC  

Well yeah I'd be willing to say something isn't a human, but to make an exact definition of 'this is a human anything that differs is not human' is where I think it gets fuzzy and dangerous

2018-07-08 21:16:57 UTC  

i would say no to AI .... just like why corporations arent people ....... they would be "super" humans of a literall different physical class of humans/people

2018-07-08 21:17:00 UTC  

humans arent immortal

2018-07-08 21:17:34 UTC  

a dog isnt human, an ant isnt human

2018-07-08 21:17:50 UTC  

Human is a type of species

2018-07-08 21:18:07 UTC  

@Schedrevka yeah, i agree with all that too

2018-07-08 21:18:12 UTC  

and since we don't have a good concept of an "equal" species, we level everything to human

Hence "acting humane" etc

2018-07-08 21:18:26 UTC  

"humanists"

2018-07-08 21:18:38 UTC  

@Dr.Wol also true too tho

2018-07-08 21:19:02 UTC  

So i think what we 3 have here, is a different concept cuz I believe we have a mixture of "being human" and "having humanity"

2018-07-08 21:19:51 UTC  

why the NAP cannot be applied to animals in the same way it will be (and should be) applied to humans universally by the force of common law, natural law (such as in the case of replacing the social contract with the NAP)

2018-07-08 21:20:11 UTC  

I think there's a difference in what is biologically human, and something 'having humanity'

2018-07-08 21:20:18 UTC  

exactly, so do i

2018-07-08 21:20:49 UTC  

and because animals dont follow the NAP either amongst themselves .... so we are not exactly going to make a rapey dolphin prison for all those rapey dolphins and other animals

2018-07-08 21:20:59 UTC  

but I wouldn't want to give exact definitions on either since people will use those labels to say 'this person lacks it' to justify doing awful things to them

2018-07-08 21:21:07 UTC  

"being human" is just the state of biological to me, hence i place it under identified by genetics

2018-07-08 21:21:28 UTC  

but YOU can personally apply the NAP to animals in yoru own life, just the point is that you cannot impose it on someone else like the NAP can be potentially

2018-07-08 21:21:40 UTC  

I would agree with you Schedrevka, but the world shows us that people don't need a reason to hate another "This person is black colored, so he's lesser"

2018-07-08 21:23:52 UTC  

like me, im vegetarian for the most part... but NOT going to impose it on others .... especially not go full militant vegan to liberate all the farm animals

2018-07-08 21:24:58 UTC  

no go full vegan anyways LOL .... maybe for a few weeks here and there to experiment, i might try

2018-07-08 21:25:09 UTC  

butter is good for you tho

2018-07-08 21:25:32 UTC  

in moderation 😋

2018-07-08 21:25:45 UTC  

everything is

2018-07-08 21:25:58 UTC  

LOL no dude. dont even start trolling

2018-07-08 21:26:47 UTC  

drink a "moderate" amount of chlorine and come back to us to say how you feel

2018-07-08 21:27:04 UTC  

well, a moderate amount is hardly anything 😛

2018-07-08 21:27:21 UTC  

anything above that and it becomes "lethal"

2018-07-08 21:28:42 UTC  

now a moderate amount is hardly anything .... oh yeah, and an excessive amount is now hardly a moderate amount too

2018-07-08 21:29:00 UTC  

well, moderate is an indication

2018-07-08 21:29:07 UTC  

not a set value

2018-07-08 21:29:45 UTC  

I drank chlorine before. I think everyone who has been to a public pool has.

2018-07-08 21:29:53 UTC  

its a set value depending on what it is and what its being used for and how, etc ... all sorts of factors

2018-07-08 21:30:08 UTC  

ya, not pure chlorine though

2018-07-08 21:30:27 UTC  

highly diluted, of course

2018-07-08 21:30:49 UTC  

Sure.