did you not follow what i was talking about "good" vs "safe" ??

last i checked, safe is a good

If you go beyond safe levels, it tends to be bad

youre just playing word games

am i wrong though?

safe is BETTER relatively to less safe... not necessarily good if there is still an unecessary or irrational risk takign place

then we just vary on our definitions of what constitutes safe in terms of substance

"Fluoride toxicity is a condition in which there are elevated levels of the fluoride ion in the body. Although fluoride is safe for dental health at low concentrations, sustained consumption of large amounts of soluble fluoride salts is dangerous." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

and i would argue that isn't a moderate amount anymore, when you exeed safety levels

looooooooooow concentrations .... not "good for you in moderate concentrations"

but the moderate theshold is low in this case

dude, you can do something that is BAD for you in "moderation"

alcohol for example, "safe in moderation" still BAD for your health

anyways

i gtg

alrighty then, and we'll have to disagree on that one i guess 😛

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okay maybe alcohol is a bad example bcuz 1 glass of red wine or even only 1 beer per day might be good for your health.... but smoking and other drugs though... yeah maybe "safe" in moderation, but still bad for your health such as some hard drugs

I only smoke crack recreationally.

And to help me get started with my day

And to help me get to sleep

And for social purposes

okay.... so in moderation, right? but it also comes with its side effects that could be hurting you more in the long run

depends, on stuff like crack, the moderate amount is the kind that wont get you addicted i guess? 😛

And for forgetting the side effects that are hurting me more in the long term

i mean... just rolling with your devils advocate for a min 😉 obv you dont really do that

but we'll have to shelf this discussion for another day, i don't wanna keep you here

see, thats exactly what im saying ... moderation not neccesarily good bcuz of the net risks and other externalities

Nah i do devils advocate, constantly, and yes my online personality is annoying to troll levels,
But i don't do it to just piss you off, i do take part in the debate

well thats a difference in how we percieve moderation, because to me moderate is non-negative amounts

you gotta be more honest in a true debate though

I am honest

But its a tactic, it throws people off

hope so! so you really wouldnt force vaccinate anyone against their will ACTUALLY irl, then

no 😄 i'm not a monster

see, thats whats im talking about. that was trolling. funny, but not an argument in a debate

If i'd force such things, i'd be no better than any authoritarian that says "I'm doing X against your will because its for your own good"

well, the debate was long over at that point

ya but this is a debate thread ..... why the distract tactic to "throw people off" from real arguments. that is pure sophistry

Don't expect anyone you debate to play fairly,
The influential people of the world won't

Learn to notice it so you can call such people out on it