Message from @Lucian

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2018-07-09 02:26:49 UTC  

But its been decades since GMOs are around, and I still dont think I got a straight answer as to its health effects.

2018-07-09 02:27:14 UTC  

And it felt like the anti gmo crowd were the first to cry foul of it.

2018-07-09 02:28:06 UTC  

That just speaks uninformed to me.

2018-07-09 02:30:15 UTC  

I think being uninform is okay, but the willingness to listen and accept the 'truth' is more important

2018-07-09 02:31:50 UTC  

I mean, its a dirty word as of now, but how much of that is from fearmongers, concerned citizens, or from actual results.

2018-07-09 02:31:56 UTC  

We've been genetically modifying our food for as long as we've been growing it. Doing it through artificial selection vs more modern means isn't what matters

2018-07-09 02:32:04 UTC  

It's the end result that does

2018-07-09 02:32:04 UTC  

They say its different

2018-07-09 02:32:16 UTC  

And that splicing is bad because its manmade and unnatural.

2018-07-09 02:32:32 UTC  

There's nothing really to argue against there.

2018-07-09 02:32:43 UTC  

Lots of stuff is unnatural. Doesn't mean it's bad.

2018-07-09 02:33:01 UTC  

Now, the legal practices behind GMOs are something to complain about

2018-07-09 02:33:09 UTC  

Isn't curare natural?

2018-07-09 02:34:59 UTC  

Thats my only issue with it

2018-07-09 02:35:20 UTC  

Mosanto's treatment of farmers does not help with the GMO situation

2018-07-09 02:35:52 UTC  

There's also the possibility of weaponizing GMO bacteria/parasites

2018-07-09 02:36:27 UTC  

I wouldn't go so far as saying that we GMO our food since we've been growing it, rather we selectively breed most of them

2018-07-09 02:43:48 UTC  

All that matters is that the food should go to the people who will need it most. Prompt help will be more useful than delayed help.

2018-07-09 02:46:19 UTC  

But the problem with GMO is that we are not sure of it's long term effects to the ecology and to the human body

2018-07-09 02:46:41 UTC  

SO heres the thing.

2018-07-09 02:46:48 UTC  

I think that's reasons for most people to distrust GMO

2018-07-09 02:46:53 UTC  

THe people who are starving now. Which will help them live longer.

2018-07-09 02:47:13 UTC  

Some food? Or something that keeps them alive longer but will kill them assuming GMOs do that.

2018-07-09 02:47:37 UTC  

Its counting on the GMOs keeping them alive long enough for a better alternative to come along.

2018-07-09 02:47:57 UTC  

Or else there will be no one to help when that alternative comes about

2018-07-09 02:48:49 UTC  

True, I think it's okay to grow it first, based on the benefits that it helps people, until we have a better alternative

2018-07-09 02:49:36 UTC  

But I'm worried for the future where we do have a GMO, but it's long term effect might be hard to reverse or even irreversible

2018-07-09 02:53:00 UTC  

There are a actually facilities that archive seeds of all kind in preparation for emergencies.

2018-07-09 02:53:03 UTC  

The only thing I can see that is ireversible by then, would be reliance on it.

2018-07-09 02:53:37 UTC  

Imagine if all GMOs died, youd have alot of people starving if they fall back to previous seed strains.

2018-07-09 02:54:08 UTC  

Like currently?

2018-07-09 02:54:16 UTC  

Yea

2018-07-09 02:54:29 UTC  

Exactly, we have plants that end up getting wiped out by disease.

2018-07-09 02:54:36 UTC  

Since all of them are the same.

2018-07-09 02:54:53 UTC  

Yeah, biodiversity is important here for sure.

2018-07-09 02:54:58 UTC  

Thats why I said, overreliance is the issue here.

2018-07-09 02:55:06 UTC  

Learn from the Irish

2018-07-09 02:55:09 UTC  

We don't want to replace every crop with one super-rice

2018-07-09 02:56:11 UTC  

You see people talking about cocoa possibly going extinct... There's probably a lot of money for whoever can figure out a way to make that grow in new environments

2018-07-09 03:01:24 UTC  

there is NO consensus about GMO health safety

2018-07-09 03:03:21 UTC  

Because they're NOT necessarily safe. You're changing the organism's DNA to make it a new one. So that means you COULD make something poisonous, but that doesn't mean changing corn to have bigger kernels is going to necessarily be unsafe if that's all that is changed.