Message from @i3utm
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@Grenade123 Private property owners. It's also built in the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Military would be the best use of border control. Or the National Guard.
@MickeyTheGymMouse (Daniel) A lot of my fellow Libertarians do not agree with me, so I am on my own with my stance.
But, there is no us consitiution without the us
I and everyone else in society define what is your private property outside of what you are physical controlling at the time.
So, you are telling me what my property is? How violent of you! lol
And you are telling me what land I am allowed or not allowed to use, how authoritarian of you!
You You can use whatever land you want. As long as it does not hurt people or take their stuff.
so i can live in your yard?
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That statement implies that you already have an agreement with me beforehand.
Which means i define what is your land
Because without my agreement, you don't really have private property, nor do I
Then the Goverment can decide what land they can define. It's a slippery slope.
And then they can use Eniment Domain to destroy your property to build a wall.
Who are "they"
Government is made up of people.
They == State or Federal Goverment entities.
It's people who come and take your land
The government does not exist as some faceless, nameless entity.
It's a group of people society gives power to.
Tell me, how does the government take your land without people?
Without an armed force, how do they have power?
They don't. And that is what I want limited. Limited Goverment power.
But this has diverged from the original point. If I don't follow our agreement, who enacts punishment?
A 3rd party voluntarily arbirter.
If you leave your house, who kicks me out if I move in?
I do as I will be defendin my property.
No, at that point you are taking my property
I have physical control over it
So, I will kick you out as I made that claim beforehand.
So you are defining my property?
Yes, as you defined mine.
Then we are in agreement, I define your property. And the reverse is true
In other words, our property is defined by those around us
But not by us
Our property is the whole world until someone stops us from claiming it.
Who defines property as "ours?"
the social contract we have in in a society that enforces that right through force
Our as in yours or mine.
The whole world is mine until you stop me. And the whole world is yours until I stop you.