Message from @Grenade123

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2018-07-14 19:39:43 UTC  

@Grenade123 who was that question to?

2018-07-14 19:39:59 UTC  

I3utm

2018-07-14 19:40:47 UTC  

He wants a stateless society, but then who defends private property rights

2018-07-14 19:42:26 UTC  

@Grenade123 Private property owners. It's also built in the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Military would be the best use of border control. Or the National Guard.

2018-07-14 19:42:56 UTC  

@MickeyTheGymMouse (Daniel) A lot of my fellow Libertarians do not agree with me, so I am on my own with my stance.

2018-07-14 19:42:58 UTC  

But, there is no us consitiution without the us

2018-07-14 19:43:55 UTC  

I and everyone else in society define what is your private property outside of what you are physical controlling at the time.

2018-07-14 19:44:20 UTC  

So, you are telling me what my property is? How violent of you! lol

2018-07-14 19:45:34 UTC  

And you are telling me what land I am allowed or not allowed to use, how authoritarian of you!

2018-07-14 19:46:29 UTC  

You You can use whatever land you want. As long as it does not hurt people or take their stuff.

2018-07-14 19:46:50 UTC  

so i can live in your yard?

2018-07-14 19:46:57 UTC  

^

2018-07-14 19:48:06 UTC  

That statement implies that you already have an agreement with me beforehand.

2018-07-14 19:48:39 UTC  

Which means i define what is your land

2018-07-14 19:48:59 UTC  

Because without my agreement, you don't really have private property, nor do I

2018-07-14 19:49:06 UTC  

Then the Goverment can decide what land they can define. It's a slippery slope.

2018-07-14 19:49:28 UTC  

And then they can use Eniment Domain to destroy your property to build a wall.

2018-07-14 19:49:44 UTC  

Who are "they"

2018-07-14 19:49:55 UTC  

Government is made up of people.

2018-07-14 19:49:59 UTC  

They == State or Federal Goverment entities.

2018-07-14 19:50:02 UTC  

It's people who come and take your land

2018-07-14 19:50:18 UTC  

The government does not exist as some faceless, nameless entity.

2018-07-14 19:50:35 UTC  

It's a group of people society gives power to.

2018-07-14 19:50:45 UTC  

Ask those pople who have no more land in some of the Border States that question.

2018-07-14 19:51:15 UTC  

Tell me, how does the government take your land without people?

2018-07-14 19:51:40 UTC  

Without an armed force, how do they have power?

2018-07-14 19:52:00 UTC  

They don't. And that is what I want limited. Limited Goverment power.

2018-07-14 19:52:44 UTC  

But this has diverged from the original point. If I don't follow our agreement, who enacts punishment?

2018-07-14 19:53:33 UTC  

A 3rd party voluntarily arbirter.

2018-07-14 19:54:27 UTC  

If you leave your house, who kicks me out if I move in?

2018-07-14 19:55:49 UTC  

I do as I will be defendin my property.

2018-07-14 19:56:10 UTC  

No, at that point you are taking my property

2018-07-14 19:56:28 UTC  

I have physical control over it

2018-07-14 19:56:29 UTC  

So, I will kick you out as I made that claim beforehand.

2018-07-14 19:56:43 UTC  

So you are defining my property?

2018-07-14 19:56:51 UTC  

Yes, as you defined mine.

2018-07-14 19:57:17 UTC  

Then we are in agreement, I define your property. And the reverse is true

2018-07-14 19:57:29 UTC  

In other words, our property is defined by those around us

2018-07-14 19:57:44 UTC  

But not by us

2018-07-14 19:58:29 UTC  

Our property is the whole world until someone stops us from claiming it.

2018-07-14 19:59:07 UTC  

Who defines property as "ours?"