Message from @i3utm
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@MickeyTheGymMouse (Daniel) It's based on voluntary principles, but, yes. It's a hard pill to swallow. Thanks for considering my idea.
@i3utm of course. I agree with ending the drug war and reforming the CJS. I do believe the Fed has a right and *obligation* to defend the borders of the US. I am one of tuose guys who think thr Government has a role, but it is strictly to defend it's people from outside forces, and the state gov. For everything else generally speaking. As a general view, I believe that we need to be a society based off more of a Voluntary and individualistic way vs what we sre now.
When ti comes to borders, I am more of a Stateless society respecting individual property rights, regarldess of where the border is.
But who defends private property rights?
@i3utm ahh. What makes you come to that agreement? Honest question. I dot ge the option to ask these questions with people often. Most people I know dont care or have real opinions.
@Grenade123 who was that question to?
I3utm
He wants a stateless society, but then who defends private property rights
@Grenade123 Private property owners. It's also built in the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Military would be the best use of border control. Or the National Guard.
@MickeyTheGymMouse (Daniel) A lot of my fellow Libertarians do not agree with me, so I am on my own with my stance.
But, there is no us consitiution without the us
I and everyone else in society define what is your private property outside of what you are physical controlling at the time.
So, you are telling me what my property is? How violent of you! lol
And you are telling me what land I am allowed or not allowed to use, how authoritarian of you!
You You can use whatever land you want. As long as it does not hurt people or take their stuff.
so i can live in your yard?
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That statement implies that you already have an agreement with me beforehand.
Which means i define what is your land
Because without my agreement, you don't really have private property, nor do I
And then they can use Eniment Domain to destroy your property to build a wall.
Who are "they"
Government is made up of people.
They == State or Federal Goverment entities.
It's people who come and take your land
The government does not exist as some faceless, nameless entity.
It's a group of people society gives power to.
Ask those pople who have no more land in some of the Border States that question.
Tell me, how does the government take your land without people?
Without an armed force, how do they have power?
They don't. And that is what I want limited. Limited Goverment power.
But this has diverged from the original point. If I don't follow our agreement, who enacts punishment?
A 3rd party voluntarily arbirter.
If you leave your house, who kicks me out if I move in?
I do as I will be defendin my property.
No, at that point you are taking my property
I have physical control over it
So, I will kick you out as I made that claim beforehand.
So you are defining my property?
Yes, as you defined mine.