Message from @Grenade123

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2018-07-14 23:25:00 UTC  

Was that your result on the 8values test?

2018-07-14 23:25:03 UTC  

First, what are the chances of getting everyone on Earth following such a principal and not get greedy? Who is stopping the warlord before he gets to powerful? If not all people are following it, then how do you defend yourself again a state. How do you stop say Russia? While it's true an armed population is one hard to conquer, when you are not facing a standing army then it's just a matter of time, conquering one community after another. When we look at the third party in arbitration, what stops corruption? What stops a kangaroo court? Sure, what we current have isn't great. But I fail to see how you stop the formattion of a state, if a group of people wish to form a state?

2018-07-14 23:25:33 UTC  

I'm a social liberal, according to that.

2018-07-14 23:25:51 UTC  

I think it did, @possumsquat93

2018-07-14 23:27:53 UTC  

@Grenade123 I think that is a better explanation than what was going on earlier, and I think actuslly refutes it far better. And it is more along the lines of what I agree wutb.

2018-07-14 23:28:29 UTC  

Ah, but it is supported by my previous idea.

2018-07-14 23:29:02 UTC  

A "stateless" society can only be permitted to exist by the strongest entity.

2018-07-14 23:29:33 UTC  

Much like any current state is allowed to exist so long as larger states don't invade.

2018-07-14 23:30:26 UTC  

They don't just invade willy nilly though, nor have they ever really

2018-07-14 23:30:49 UTC  

Willy nilly depends on your view point

2018-07-14 23:30:49 UTC  

There's usually a larger purpose for it, and it's weighed against cost and difficulty

2018-07-14 23:31:05 UTC  

I would consider religious reasons to be Willy nilly

2018-07-14 23:31:25 UTC  

I wouldn't, but even with that in mind, there's a reason why Afghanistan still exists

2018-07-14 23:32:14 UTC  

@Grenade123 that would be an improper use of Willy Nilly than.

2018-07-14 23:32:38 UTC  

As it falls flat in the face if what that phrade means.

2018-07-14 23:32:52 UTC  

You are right, they don't invade without reason

2018-07-14 23:33:07 UTC  

To be more specific, states don't attack states solely on the basis that the former is larger/stronger than the latter

2018-07-14 23:33:14 UTC  

TIME TO FREEDOM THE ALFS

2018-07-14 23:33:21 UTC  

No, but that doesn't refute my point

2018-07-14 23:33:21 UTC  

There's usually some perceived benefits

2018-07-14 23:33:38 UTC  

Being the wrong type of government can be a reason

2018-07-14 23:33:49 UTC  

Or just happened to be a good spot to attack their enemy

2018-07-14 23:33:52 UTC  

Well it's part of a larger question, since you seem to think conquering is a given

2018-07-14 23:33:55 UTC  

Look at Hawaii

2018-07-14 23:34:35 UTC  

We annex it, illegally by our own laws at the time, because it was a good place for a naval Base.

2018-07-14 23:35:13 UTC  

Okay, so what problem is presented by ancapistan if these things happen anyway?

2018-07-14 23:35:35 UTC  

The fall of any given superpower is inevitable. Nobody stays on top forever

2018-07-14 23:37:50 UTC  

My point is that a standing army or organized and recognized government increases the effort another someone to invade. And try and tell me that a place which has a standing army isn't a state in it's own regard.

2018-07-14 23:38:41 UTC  

If you are just a bunch of small communities, then you better be a bunch of militant communities, or living in a place that never has strategic value.

2018-07-14 23:38:49 UTC  

I don't know that I'd necessarily agree. Certainly central organization can help efficiency but it also provides easy targets for victory

2018-07-14 23:39:21 UTC  

A certain amount of it obviously boils down to how brutal the invading force will be

2018-07-14 23:39:38 UTC  

Or how easy the population gives up

2018-07-14 23:39:41 UTC  

But guerilla warfare is crazy effective

2018-07-14 23:40:01 UTC  

That generally means you are already occupied

2018-07-14 23:40:16 UTC  

Or you are invading

2018-07-14 23:40:45 UTC  

Guerilla warfare works... Except you have already lost your home.... The thing ancaps are defending

2018-07-14 23:41:37 UTC  

Right but any invading force has to deal with the idea that occupation will be long and bloody

2018-07-14 23:42:20 UTC  

Yes, but what are they fighting for once an ancap loses their house?

2018-07-14 23:42:25 UTC  

How good did Syria and Iran seem to Americans after Iraq? Not great

2018-07-14 23:42:31 UTC  

Reclamation of property

2018-07-14 23:42:37 UTC  

What property?