Jeff Bezos

Maybe middle upper class

Saudi oil barons

The royal family

Elon musk more convinces the government to give him money than actually make it these days

Xi xing ping is kinda an emperor trying to reign in capitalism

He’ll die if he keeps it up

Work is a requirement pretty much its just how and what you do

And what your ancestors did

In the royals cases

He's upper middle class in income and by the traditional mercantile ways of capitalism (he can spend freely on stuff that doesn't matter and probably has a nice savings account). If he started as a car salesman and isn't degreed or rub elbows with the right people he's lower class by the rising Brahmins of American society in the Media, Academia, Hollywood and the government.

Basically, he's probably wealthy enough to buy anything he really wants within reason, but not so wealthy he could not work (or if he did, he'd lose alot of his current lifestyle). Upper middle class.

But that's not much respect these days for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's an attitude on the rise that cares more about saying the right things and being in the right circles more than individual success. And it's taking over the cultural and political centers.

Upper class is where you can just take a vacation whenever you want and live in a nice house with a nice car.

Extreme uppre class is when you can just luxury spend on whatever you may want.

Working or not working comes down more to what you are willing to live on.

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Proposition: the new division politically will not be economics. It will be on the nation and local control versus global control and institutions.

The result is that all this "I'm center left, I'm center right" everyone keeps saying on this server isn't going to matter as much in 6 years.

Agree or disagree?

On this server? Agree. I don't think there's much changing minds going on here as we tend to agree on a lot of stuff.

But on other servers you can get some people to think differently.

Still it's not enough to sway much.

@pratel I disagree. For half of society it will be that and I believe the other half it’ll be class warfare

Interesting proposition. Why?

I think that democracies (atleast in the US) tend to factionalize along some kind of pole, even if the pole is inaccurate.

Took me a moment to realize what you meant

I’ve heard lots of people, centrists, leftists and people on the right actually say that a world government would be beneficial (If done correctly). But I though htf are we going to govern the Middle East

Yeah, alot of people are kinda utopian. I actually don't like left/right dichotomies. I think it's oversimplifying everything.

It would have to be extremely authoritarian.

And even then it won't work.

I don't know.

If you think in terms of the local communication networks people tended to have in most of history. There was a single dominant power.

"Alexander the Great conquered the world"

People used to be more similar thousands of years ago.

Authoritarian, maybe. I could see it devolving into that.

Easier to co-exist.

Last I checked, they tended to get involved in endless warfare.

Obviously but still people had similar beliefs. There were also less people so things were easier to control.

Less people to implement the control though.

Plus, we have computers and the internet now.

Your cell phone knows *exactly* where you are right now.

It might even know what you're doing at the moment.

And that information **isn't** just sitting on your phone.

Anyone into history here?