Message from Faticati in Subverse #debate

2018-09-08 18:15:10 UTC  

I dont find my meaning in a class structure I am an individual and wish to be treated as such

2018-09-08 18:16:20 UTC  

If others do not wish to be treated as individuals thats fine but they are not gonna rope me into their bs

2018-09-08 18:26:24 UTC  

Well actually know that I think about it. Would a factory owner be upper middle class, or lower upper class

2018-09-08 18:26:33 UTC  

God... questions

2018-09-08 18:34:18 UTC  

Depends on his income

2018-09-08 18:37:03 UTC  

Well he has 125 employees

2018-09-08 18:37:22 UTC  

So must be pretty high but not super high

2018-09-08 18:41:32 UTC  

Upper middle makes more sense

2018-09-08 18:42:02 UTC  

Upper class generally are at the point where their wealth can sustain them without needing to work at all

2018-09-08 18:42:10 UTC  

Yah he’s not the .01%

2018-09-08 18:42:28 UTC  

But then wouldn’t doctors not count as upper middle class

2018-09-08 18:42:35 UTC  

Cuz they need to work

2018-09-08 18:42:53 UTC  

They have to invest and manage their money @Blackhawk342

2018-09-08 18:42:59 UTC  

Depends how much they make

2018-09-08 18:43:14 UTC  

And yes they do, but there are large investment firms for a reason

2018-09-08 18:43:27 UTC  


2018-09-08 18:43:37 UTC  

Doctors still have to work which would make them lower upper class

2018-09-08 18:44:19 UTC  

Most of the extreme upper class still work

2018-09-08 18:44:19 UTC  

Because while they could quit and be ok financially, their passive wealth generation isnt at the point where it can replace their career

2018-09-08 18:44:22 UTC  

I think maybe doctors are upper middle class an then factory workers are lower upper class. However high up doctors can be lower upper class and even higher

2018-09-08 18:44:29 UTC  

Jeff Bezos

2018-09-08 18:44:29 UTC  

Maybe middle upper class

2018-09-08 18:44:51 UTC  

Saudi oil barons

2018-09-08 18:45:00 UTC  

The royal family

2018-09-08 18:46:07 UTC  

Elon musk more convinces the government to give him money than actually make it these days

2018-09-08 18:46:49 UTC  

Xi xing ping is kinda an emperor trying to reign in capitalism

2018-09-08 18:46:58 UTC  

He’ll die if he keeps it up

2018-09-08 18:47:21 UTC  

Work is a requirement pretty much its just how and what you do

2018-09-08 18:47:28 UTC  

And what your ancestors did

2018-09-08 18:47:43 UTC  

In the royals cases

2018-09-08 21:26:54 UTC  

He's upper middle class in income and by the traditional mercantile ways of capitalism (he can spend freely on stuff that doesn't matter and probably has a nice savings account). If he started as a car salesman and isn't degreed or rub elbows with the right people he's lower class by the rising Brahmins of American society in the Media, Academia, Hollywood and the government.

Basically, he's probably wealthy enough to buy anything he really wants within reason, but not so wealthy he could not work (or if he did, he'd lose alot of his current lifestyle). Upper middle class.

But that's not much respect these days for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's an attitude on the rise that cares more about saying the right things and being in the right circles more than individual success. And it's taking over the cultural and political centers.

2018-09-08 21:27:15 UTC  

Upper class is where you can just take a vacation whenever you want and live in a nice house with a nice car.

2018-09-08 21:28:08 UTC  

Extreme uppre class is when you can just luxury spend on whatever you may want.

2018-09-08 21:28:18 UTC  

Working or not working comes down more to what you are willing to live on.

2018-09-08 23:31:40 UTC  


Proposition: the new division politically will not be economics. It will be on the nation and local control versus global control and institutions.

2018-09-08 23:37:12 UTC  

The result is that all this "I'm center left, I'm center right" everyone keeps saying on this server isn't going to matter as much in 6 years.

Agree or disagree?

2018-09-08 23:41:11 UTC  

On this server? Agree. I don't think there's much changing minds going on here as we tend to agree on a lot of stuff.

2018-09-08 23:41:31 UTC  

But on other servers you can get some people to think differently.

2018-09-08 23:41:52 UTC  

Still it's not enough to sway much.

2018-09-08 23:43:13 UTC  

@pratel I disagree. For half of society it will be that and I believe the other half it’ll be class warfare

2018-09-08 23:43:40 UTC  

Interesting proposition. Why?