or kill someone in a hit and run and blame it on a glitch

It not going to be as easy as hackin one car. There is going to be a network, each car will be talking to all others in a x-radius. Telemetry will be kept by all these cars on all other cars in the local network and decisions will be made as a collective with the ability to overwrite a glitch in one. I'm not saying it's not going to happen but it will be much hard in 20 years when the whole network is automated than it would be now with self driving cars having back doors built in.

@Atkins I must say, among all the ethnicities that could care about white people appropriating their culture, the Japanese are plausibly the least likely.

I like the aspects of car-to-car hailing far more than AI driven cars.

Why couldn't we go down that route instead?

Also, AI-assisted driving I'm semi-fine with as well

As well as technology that can take a driver off the road safely in the event of incapacitation

@Stefan Payne you dropped an article link <#463054787336732683> chat about a death-by-knife. Since german is not my first language. Can you confirm my interpretation.
“A person vocal about immigration issue was found dead in the street in a pool of blood. The forensic investigation ruled it an suicide.”
It seems odd to me that a person would commit suicide with a knife in public.
Also where is the knife in question?

Seth Rich ruled suicide

@4AM_critter 🐉 if I recall, it was ruled a suicide via multiple stab wounds which is fishy.

Is selfishness good, bad, or nuanced?

Focused it can be a good thing for society

Nuanced. Everyone needs some amount of selfishness, and selfishness can also lead to great progress, but the downsides of selfishness are self-evident

EG Convincing a rich SOB that donating a lot of money to a charity gets them in the lime light

Or someone creating some great invention that improves society because they know they'll be famous/rich

Can I get an example where selfishness is bad?

Person A doesn't help others because they want all the money for themselves and not share

How is that bad?

It provides motive for others to be productive members of society

Person B needs a few bucks for food after getting layed off and is looking for work, misses the bus for the job interview and doesn't get the job

I get the empathy. But the couple bucks in this situation doesn't address why person B had all these bad things happen to them.

Selfishness harms others. If everyone is selfish it's going to harm you. Selfishness can be great in the short term for the individual, but if too many people are selfish society weakens.

Are you familiar with the tragedy of the commons?

Go on, I am unfamiliar in how you can say beyond a doubt that it harms.

Well if people take selfishness to its logical extreme, then there's no way to preserve personal liberty, as sooner or later you're goign to be motivated to infringe on others liberties based on your own wnats

This is why we have laws

Well laws can also be perverted to serve the needs of the most powerful selfish people.

Are you being purposefully obtuse on not understanding why selfishness can be bad in order to make an argument, or do you really not believe that it can be bad?

Perverting the laws is a selfish act. So I get that point.

@Schedrevka I see multiple lines of thinking. And am currently exploring the idea of whether it is logical to be 100% selfish.

It is never logical to take a 100% approach, the reason is that not all situations can be helped by one responce

How do you determine 100% selfishness? Is helping an old lady across the street selfish if you think it might improve your standing with an onlooker?

Yeah you want a "critical mass" where people are motivated to great ambitions that they might not be in a 100% egalitarian society

I agree, but by examining the 100% approach and seeing its flaws. We can use that as a basis to help find an optimum %

But not to the point whre the weak have no personal liberty

@Schedrevka if this is your goals this would be a selfish act

I don't believe there is an optimum %. It's always going to be contextual. Society is a chaotic system. And society changes, and what works in one culture won't work in another.

Ok, by examining its flaws we can methodically and consciously understand where selflessness is required for the greater benefit

I don't think we can quantify that sort of thing. It's far too complicated. And what would the end goal be? Writing a rule book and hoping people follow it?

There's a lot of criticism already to study on where the principles of Kant, Betham, Mill, etc break down.

I think it would be perfectly selfish to empower a government that reduced/eliminated the risk of individuals or groups perverting the laws for their own selfish behavior

Yes, it would be selfish to force others to forgo their own selfishness.