Message from Stefan Payne in Subverse #debate


2018-09-28 03:43:12 UTC  

You never heard of Saul Alinksy? His book Rules for Radicals is the playbook of the left.

2018-09-28 03:44:42 UTC  

aren't there thousands of versions?

2018-09-28 03:45:49 UTC  

nah

2018-09-28 04:02:55 UTC  

Yeah I never heard of him before. In the beginning of the video he mentions that kind of proves his ideas right

2018-09-28 04:03:04 UTC  

Not many people know about him

2018-09-28 06:31:25 UTC  

I'm really confused by Tim's stance on Ford.

There's nobody coming forward to confirm the allegations and everyone has denied it ever took place. But I still believe Ford because her story isn't especially lurid. Her story seems coached and she's lied on the issue of flying. But she's probably telling the truth. She's being coached, but they wouldn't have told her to avoid stating things that might cause red flags nor would they have rehearsed these talks to insure she seemed genuine. All the evidence points one way (her claims are false at worst, un-provable and contradicted at best)

Yet, she's still being truthful.

About the only way he could resolve the whole thing is if he thinks these new guys claiming to be the actual assailants are telling the truth. But those are anonymous persons and the whole thing is so weird it's going to take some rather crazy evidence to prove. I *think* Tim is alleging that the Democrats put her up to this (which is actually far worse on the Democrats part than her lying) and she's just horribly mistaken.

But frankly, I find it all kind of meandering. Is the assertion that her story is true? It would seem to contradict all evidence Tim is laying out.

Will agree the whole thing is pretty disgusting and things are getting way too intense.

2018-09-28 06:46:47 UTC  

She isn't being Truthfull.

2018-09-28 06:48:46 UTC  

@pratel I agree. Even accepting Tim's explanation she's letting herself be used for political reasons, which still points to her being dishonest. I stated this in general chat, but unfortunately this means I know I can't trust Tim in the future on any sexual assault cases.

2018-09-28 06:52:23 UTC  

Tim doesn't understand if he defends every accuser (he says everyone is shit who attacks survivors) he loses credibility every time they're shown to be liar.

2018-09-28 06:54:40 UTC  

At best Ford is knowingly letting herself be used as a weapon against a man she isn't sure about. At worst she is a slandering political hack.

2018-09-28 06:54:44 UTC  

Well, knowing he has a blind spot doesn't mean he doesn't have credibility. He has proven to be accurate and truthful in most other areas so I still trust him.

2018-09-28 06:54:56 UTC  

I think he just doesn't want to accuse people willy nilly

2018-09-28 06:54:58 UTC  

Oh, I do mean in this particualr area

2018-09-28 06:59:02 UTC  

Man I didn't get to watch all of it live. but just saw a clip of the polygraph part. She admits crying through the polygraph test. Doesn't being over emotional through a polygraph test invalidate it?

2018-09-28 07:00:00 UTC  

I don't know enough about Polygraphs..but aren't they inadmissible in court because they just aren't really all that accurate?

2018-09-28 07:01:59 UTC  

I was just pointing out that it almost definitely gave even worse results if she was crying while giving the test

2018-09-28 07:57:57 UTC  

Polygraphs prove nothing except for heart rate

2018-09-28 08:40:34 UTC  

By the way, Tim saying I know because her behavior. She's a psychology professor she might be capable of faking the behavior. And that was Tim's only "evidence". I don't have twitter or post on social media, but I didn't appreciate him saying that people who think she might be a sham are shit. Lindsey Graham pointed out that Feinstein office was recommending a lawyer to Ford before august 20 when he met with Feinstein meaning Ford was prepping about a month before they revealed the allegation. Ford could have declined to be involved or voiced her lack of confidence in it being Kavanaugh but chose to at that time go in on the political stunt before she got coaching as Tim speculates. Even if something real happened to Ford at some point, most evidence points to her being a political operative in this instance. This is where Tim blind spot is revealed.
Does anyone know any good reporters for these sexual assault cases? This seems to be an area that's a real blind spot for a lot of people covering the news (not just Tim). Shapiro is pretty bad on this as well, Philly eat a D isn't great either, and a lot of others don't cover it (I don't blame them).

2018-09-28 11:06:56 UTC  

Can pls ask someone Ben if he is a Siscon?

2018-09-28 11:08:21 UTC  

He said a couple of times that his sister was the one who introduced his wife to him....

2018-09-28 11:48:45 UTC  

The thing to remember with Tim's stance is that, unless you can find the info to say "there is no way she could have been in that area during that time and she knows it", it's hard to prove she is actually lying. However, for him to actually declare she is lying opens him up to slander.

2018-09-28 11:51:45 UTC  

There is also the fact that someone, with a very similar style story may be discouraged if the default response they all see on the news is "clearly women who have blocked out memories are just lying for some kind of gains or revenge". The easiest way for Tim to avoid all these pitfalls is to simply say "whoever assaulted her wasn't Kav, and the Dems clearly have been using this for political gains at her experense"

2018-09-28 11:53:56 UTC  

Declaring her guilty without evidence is no better than declaring Kav guilty without evidence. And unfortunately, the beauty of her allegation is that it is very hard to prove she lied. And if you really want to prove she had ill intent, follow the money. Her attorney is working for free, so follow that go fund me money.

2018-09-28 14:12:25 UTC  

And tim fucks rabbits

2018-09-28 14:12:44 UTC  

See its not Tim’s job to prove he’s not a rabbit rapist

2018-09-28 14:12:57 UTC  

Its my job to show he’s a bunny fucker

2018-09-28 14:13:19 UTC  

If i cant then I should not be belived

2018-09-28 14:18:27 UTC  

but you might not be lying

2018-09-28 14:18:47 UTC  

you may very well have seen him fuck a rabbit.

2018-09-28 14:18:53 UTC  

but didn't take a video or a pitcutr

2018-09-28 14:18:58 UTC  

You are right so we should stop watching tim because of the allegation

2018-09-28 14:19:36 UTC  

Btw I saw you fucking the rabbit too

2018-09-28 14:23:03 UTC  

Grenade is correct

2018-09-28 14:23:23 UTC  

My problem is with tim saying she's honest, she's not. He could just say her claims are not credible.

2018-09-28 14:24:10 UTC  

Because she wasn't proven a liar in her accusations.

2018-09-28 14:24:33 UTC  

Perjury is a crime.

2018-09-28 14:24:43 UTC  

perjury is hard to prove

2018-09-28 14:24:52 UTC  

Innocent until proven guilty is in effect though

2018-09-28 14:25:10 UTC  

are the media and dems treating him like he's innocent?