Message from RyeNorth in Subverse #debate

2018-09-28 14:54:21 UTC  

What I don't get is the automatic dismissal of someone's testimony based on the fact that she's unclear on certain details.

2018-09-28 14:54:55 UTC  

'false in one, false in all'

2018-09-28 14:55:16 UTC  

Is a legal principle

2018-09-28 14:55:25 UTC  

A person can be sure something happened in childhood and not remember the date/time.

2018-09-28 14:55:36 UTC  

Yeah, why dismiss on lack of evidence? /s

2018-09-28 14:55:53 UTC  

there needs to be corroborating witnesses and/or evidence. individual testimony is worth very little, even less if there is no specificity or if it's unfalsifiable.

2018-09-28 14:56:07 UTC  

witnesses deny it happened, even her friend

2018-09-28 14:57:14 UTC  

if you want to help women who have been victimized you need to start teaching young girls to immediately come forward when they have been victimized, and to go to the police. the police. not friends, not family, no teachers, or therapists. the police.

2018-09-28 14:57:30 UTC  

she didn't even do that

2018-09-28 14:57:45 UTC  

Why would the friend remember? She was downstairs.

2018-09-28 14:57:51 UTC  

and it's not victim blaming to tell young girls not to engage in demonstrably stupid and risky activities.

2018-09-28 14:58:08 UTC  

like underage drinking at a party where you don't know anyone.

2018-09-28 14:58:09 UTC  

Her friend said she never met brett.

2018-09-28 14:58:25 UTC  

and doesn't remember being at any event like the one described

2018-09-28 14:59:06 UTC  

met probably meaning being in the same place at one point in all their years

2018-09-28 14:59:11 UTC  

people claiming to be feminists are infantilizing women and removing their agency, and actually exacerbating the problems they're claiming to champion.

2018-09-28 14:59:32 UTC  

yeah, I hate this because it make credible claims look bad as well

2018-09-28 14:59:51 UTC  

credible = with more evidence

2018-09-28 15:02:05 UTC  

I expect more claims with no evidence or credibility until some people start looking at their own biases

2018-09-28 15:02:08 UTC  

You guys don't see the trap you're in.

2018-09-28 15:02:17 UTC  

I'll explain in a moment

2018-09-28 15:03:08 UTC  

Is the trap that I want evidence? (and we didn't get it in this case)

2018-09-28 15:07:22 UTC  

I'll check back in and try to respond when you post your thing. Got to do some work.

2018-09-28 15:13:11 UTC  

Lindsey Graham was right. Change my mind

2018-09-28 15:15:57 UTC  

@Beemann He's Republican QED

2018-09-28 15:16:23 UTC  

So was McCain

2018-09-28 15:16:29 UTC  

So is Flake

2018-09-28 15:16:47 UTC  

So was Bush, so is Rubio

2018-09-28 15:17:54 UTC  

So, here's my premise.

2018-09-28 15:18:31 UTC  

I support Kavanaugh. I believe he's innocent until proven guilty. I believe the entire hearing was a farce

2018-09-28 15:19:36 UTC  

I believe one of the most telling moments in the hearing was Booker asking Kavanaugh if he would've preferred the accuser hadn't come forward.

2018-09-28 15:20:19 UTC  

That would be a sustainable objection at best and a disbarment at worst in an ACTUAL court of law.

2018-09-28 15:21:02 UTC  

The trap we fall in to, though, is hypocrisy.

2018-09-28 15:21:39 UTC  

That's because the only thing that differentiated this from a kangaroo court was the number of dems in seats lol

2018-09-28 15:21:52 UTC  

If we believe that Kavanaugh is innocent until proven guilty of his charges

2018-09-28 15:23:18 UTC  

We can't make charges of perjury - and make no mistake that's what you're doing when you call her a liar - without evidence.

2018-09-28 15:23:48 UTC  

And the absence of evidence in one is not sustainable proof of the other.

2018-09-28 15:24:57 UTC  

If you dislike this court of public opinion, you have to step up and take the high road against it.

2018-09-28 15:25:09 UTC  

I think her claims can be ignored due to zero evidence. Whether or not I think she's a liar is irrelevant.

2018-09-28 15:25:10 UTC  

Not someone else, it has to start somewhere.

2018-09-28 15:25:11 UTC  

Both can be true though, she can not be lying and Kavanaugh can not be a sex offender