Message from @Yuki

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2018-09-28 22:08:19 UTC  

Trump's are pretty limp

2018-09-28 22:12:03 UTC  

So Dolph Ziggler 2020?

2018-09-29 04:19:20 UTC  

This was a really good breakdown of the hearing and the moral aspects of it. Also talked a bit about the left and "civil war". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz2qQ_PswI

2018-09-29 04:19:43 UTC  

Fak it doesn't embed.

2018-09-29 04:22:52 UTC  

no embeds allowed in this text channel

2018-09-29 04:23:05 UTC  

Yeah I noticed.

2018-09-29 04:23:48 UTC  

No cigar smoking allowed? That 's insane

2018-09-29 04:23:56 UTC  

I remember the uptight 80s and it wasn't this bad

2018-09-29 04:29:49 UTC  

@Knights Armament I'm going to mostly agree and add that if you're looking for a specific early example of Leftist identity politics causing divide, look no further than the Atheism+ movement that started back in 2012. The insertion of ideas that feminism and intersectionality are key aspects of being a proper skeptic caused a huge rift in the Atheist community, and even back then you had things similar to the more modern #metoo movement with that one lady who claimed to be sexually assaulted in an elevator by some prominent member of the Atheist community. Caused huge schisms along the same lines we see today (believe victims vs. innocent until proven guilty). The only difference is these politics have become much more visible in the mainstream now especially with them becoming increasingly dominant in institutions like Academia and Journalism. Trumps election is absolutely a symptom of the problem but his pushback also fuels the divide. Whether or not you can call that his fault is an entirely different discussion that I would be conflicted on, although I learn towards it mostly not being his fault.

2018-09-29 04:32:42 UTC  

Richard Dawkins

2018-09-29 04:37:47 UTC  

isnt he that biologist?

2018-09-29 04:38:41 UTC  

He was a popular voice of skeptics

2018-09-29 04:39:14 UTC  
2018-09-29 04:43:07 UTC  

Sorry let me correct that, she wasn't sexually assaulted in an elevator. A man said at an elevator that he found her attractive and asked to come up for coffee which she took exception to in a video and a slate article. Dawkins weighed in that complaining about that is basically being whiny esp considering the guy left her alone after that and never layed a finger on her.

2018-09-29 04:48:30 UTC  

yeah, i know of that book :)

2018-09-29 04:48:48 UTC  

i watched a debate between him and a cardinal

2018-09-29 04:49:09 UTC  

why'd u mention him?

2018-09-29 04:51:16 UTC  

he was involved with the incident I am referencing

2018-09-29 04:51:44 UTC  

oh :o

2018-09-29 04:52:46 UTC  

the author of that article is the woman?

2018-09-29 04:53:14 UTC  

The one from the elevator yes, but she doesn't accuse Dawkins of sexually harassing/assaulting her

2018-09-29 04:53:23 UTC  

I misremembered the stories details

2018-09-29 04:55:25 UTC  

did u say she accused dawkins of sexually harassing/assaulting her then?

2018-09-29 04:58:05 UTC  

No, I initially said she accused a prominent member of the Atheist community of sexually assaulting her in an elevator. Risotto brought up Dawkins. My details of the story were wrong so I wanted to clarify that it wasn't a prominent member and it was claims of harassment.

2018-09-29 04:58:56 UTC  

oh, okay :)

2018-09-29 04:59:36 UTC  

I remember it was a big deal at the time

2018-09-29 04:59:44 UTC  

i do think she went too far

2018-09-29 05:00:00 UTC  

Yeah I remember it being a big deal too

2018-09-29 05:00:12 UTC  

It was actually a sort of landmark moment where I started to think the left was becoming unhinged

2018-09-29 05:00:18 UTC  

That's part of why I liken it to the metoo movement we have now

2018-09-29 05:00:34 UTC  

I was thinking, "being socially awkward and failing to flirt with someone isn't a crime"

2018-09-29 05:00:56 UTC  

i do think the metoo movement is positive, though

2018-09-29 05:01:10 UTC  

It was positive

2018-09-29 05:01:12 UTC  

Yeah. I also remember it still very much being the "wild wild west" kind of internet at the time

2018-09-29 05:01:29 UTC  

mhm
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I was thinking, "being socially awkward and failing to flirt with someone isn't a crime"
````Risotto - 29-09-2018 07:00 | #debate`

2018-09-29 05:01:37 UTC  

So it was very much like "okay some trolls said some dumb shit online" and that doesn't really reflect the atheist movement in general

2018-09-29 10:00:54 UTC  

I don't know, somehow I'm beginning to think that Christopher Hitchens was the best and brightest of the "4 Horsemen" and the other 2 are Morons that are just totally wrong with their radical Atheism bullcrap. The 4th I don't know, never heard much about him.

2018-09-29 10:01:36 UTC  

I think Christopher also concentrated more on Islam and less Christianity....

2018-09-29 10:04:02 UTC  

Dawkins is fine, Harris is fine on philosophy but got too hung up on Hillary

2018-09-29 10:05:05 UTC  

Harris is also the one that said we may need to glass a few ME dictatorships if they get nukes, FYI. Dude isnt ignoring that issue in the slightest. Also Hitchens was a Trotskyist who then swapped to Neocon