Message from @Undead Mockingbird

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2018-10-02 18:03:11 UTC  

oh airdropped is fine. from say 35,000 feet without a parachute?

2018-10-02 18:03:27 UTC  

we're trying to determine if we really want to spend money on parachutes

2018-10-02 18:03:37 UTC  

no chutes

2018-10-02 18:03:43 UTC  

maybe we do one for every 15 and let them fight on the way down for it

2018-10-02 18:04:51 UTC  

nah lets be capitolists about it. sell them a chute before being pushed. help the national debt at the same time

2018-10-02 18:05:34 UTC  

^ winning idea

2018-10-02 18:05:49 UTC  

you should hear how I'd monetise death row then lol

2018-10-02 18:06:03 UTC  

but itd get me banned fo sure

2018-10-02 18:14:12 UTC  

The Pinochet method huh.

2018-10-02 18:14:34 UTC  

@Jes Yes you must come to the states
the great exchange can be leftists to Europe
rightists to the US
both sides can be in cultures that align with their ideals

2018-10-02 18:14:58 UTC  

I'd rather fix the country I'm in

2018-10-02 18:15:13 UTC  

of course these days rightist includes classical liberals and basically anyone who isn't socialist

2018-10-02 18:15:22 UTC  

so we'll have diverse opinions at least

2018-10-02 18:30:17 UTC  

@Deleted User it's anyone who basically isn't a communist

2018-10-02 18:30:26 UTC  

Like early 1900's all over again

2018-10-02 19:06:11 UTC  

Today, right and left are relative of an ever shifting center.

2018-10-02 19:06:19 UTC  

A center that moves further and further left.

2018-10-02 19:06:51 UTC  

I would go look at that Tim video, which I'm sure you did already, where Tim shows the data for the shift.

2018-10-02 19:07:09 UTC  

It's interesting how little shift on the right happened by comparison to me at least

2018-10-02 19:07:19 UTC  

The shift he presented was for Democrats and Republicans.

2018-10-02 19:08:25 UTC  

According to politics not too long ago, both parties would be left.

2018-10-02 19:08:57 UTC  

if you judge it by TODAY'S standard of what "left" is, then you would say the left would be right wing

2018-10-02 19:09:07 UTC  

while the right has shifted slightly left to at least some degree

2018-10-02 19:09:16 UTC  

Yes. That is why I referred to a shifting center.

2018-10-02 19:09:39 UTC  

Left and right only makes sense in relation to the current center, not as absolute terms, in that context.

2018-10-02 19:10:40 UTC  

Otherwise, they would still refer to the original meaning of pro monarchy and pro democracy affiliations, as the term was first used during the French Revolution.

2018-10-02 19:10:55 UTC  

Now, it's kind of murky what "left" and "right" means.

2018-10-02 19:11:26 UTC  

If Hitler is extreme right and Stalin extreme left, what am I? Halfway between Stalin and Hitler? That makes no sense.

2018-10-02 19:13:35 UTC  

hitler is third position

2018-10-02 19:28:46 UTC  

@Deleted User thats the plan.
Downside of splitting that way is the right tends to not change when needed. without the left to pull them forward the right only leads to stagnation

2018-10-02 19:29:09 UTC  

also good oppersition keeps people working on better ideas.

2018-10-02 19:29:44 UTC  

@oprahsminge yes mate, the Conservative party in the UK is majority centre left now

2018-10-02 19:30:02 UTC  

as the overton window shifted.

2018-10-02 19:30:10 UTC  

they went with it

2018-10-02 19:31:06 UTC  

@Undead Mockingbird Hitler wasnt extreme right. some of his ideas were but mostly he was a far lefty

2018-10-02 19:31:20 UTC  

Well, pick whoever you like.

2018-10-02 19:31:23 UTC  

😃

2018-10-02 19:31:34 UTC  

You will probably find that it makes just as little sense to present it as a continuous spectrum.

2018-10-02 19:32:12 UTC  

I think as long as we all keep talking and no one starts claiming X group is superior/inferior/evil/good ect we should make it through this folly

2018-10-02 19:32:29 UTC  

Agreed.

2018-10-02 19:32:38 UTC  

Except people who put toilet paper upset down.