Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 02:07:37 UTC  

Religion is an essential component of a functioning society.

2018-10-24 02:18:42 UTC  

is religion really essential or is it just a consistently held set of beliefs amongst a population?

2018-10-24 02:19:35 UTC  

Arguing for the necessity of religious ideals in human society would require more energy and refresher research than I'm willing to muster right now.

2018-10-24 02:19:35 UTC  

religion is probably the easiet way to implement that

but at quite the cost

2018-10-24 02:20:43 UTC  

I don't know if I'd say that religion is essential but it's more like humans seem to have a religious need that, if not properly filled, gets filled by whatever is available.

2018-10-24 02:21:59 UTC  

atheism is just the modern religion

2018-10-24 02:22:03 UTC  

To think of it more in terms of food, if a person doesn't eat enough or properly the body will try and sacrifice the lesser needed parts (like fat) to get what it needs to sustain the important parts.

2018-10-24 02:22:33 UTC  

If the body can't get what it needs from storage then it begins to break down other parts, like muscle.

2018-10-24 02:23:00 UTC  

But it's more of filling a hole. So whatever is at hand seems to get plugged.

2018-10-24 02:23:50 UTC  

I's funny, but that's more or less what religious people have been claiming for a while

2018-10-24 02:24:10 UTC  

You choose to believe in something or you believe whatever's available

2018-10-24 02:24:52 UTC  

Probably that phrasing made people think it was just about people being too stupid to "choose for themselves", but it was trying to get at this sort of thing

2018-10-24 02:26:37 UTC  

It makes sense that religious people would claim that. To say something to the effect of, "Everyone needs to eat, we just choose to eat different things." wouldn't be controversial at all.

2018-10-24 02:27:02 UTC  

But in terms of religions the old way of thinking would be, "My diet is the right way and that's that!"

2018-10-24 02:28:09 UTC  

It's amusing because people do exactly that with diets!

2018-10-24 02:28:31 UTC  

So that they'd also do it with other stuff shouldn't really surprise anyone

2018-10-24 02:29:04 UTC  

Also, phrasing it as a diet is interesting, because not every conceivable diet is equally valid or good

2018-10-24 02:29:21 UTC  

Which I guess is kinda Peterson's idea

2018-10-24 03:52:19 UTC  

I think you're absolutely correct, Malt.

2018-10-24 04:20:29 UTC  

Abrahamic religions should be reformed with Gnosticism to help synthesize it with a post-Enlightenment view of religion. Jung characterized this synthesis very well. And the fundamental aspects of Gnosticism would allow for the cohabitation of all of the Abrahamic religions in a way similar to the Dharmic religions.

2018-10-24 04:22:05 UTC  

Atheism is just another view of religion, and a particularly nihilistic and materialistic view that leaves a moral void that is susceptible to be filled by another radical ideology, like Feminism or Communism.

2018-10-24 04:22:48 UTC  

I think I missed the reason why Abrahamic religions should be infused with Gnosticism.

2018-10-24 04:23:14 UTC  

Gnosticism holds a stance that is much more compatible with modern Western sensibilities.

2018-10-24 04:23:26 UTC  

Men and Women are equal.

2018-10-24 04:23:41 UTC  

So, it should be infused because...people in the west would like it more.

2018-10-24 04:23:58 UTC  

There was no original sin, and that the material world is inherently flawed and was not made by God.

2018-10-24 04:24:21 UTC  

God is a totality that is the source from which all comes from.

2018-10-24 04:24:31 UTC  

Abrahamic religions also carry a whole lot of '0ld sk00l' baggage.

2018-10-24 04:24:53 UTC  

Not really from a timeline perspective

2018-10-24 04:25:13 UTC  

Christianity is only 2000 years old.

2018-10-24 04:25:22 UTC  

And Islam only 1600

2018-10-24 04:25:30 UTC  

1400, I think.

2018-10-24 04:25:36 UTC  

You right

2018-10-24 04:25:45 UTC  

Seventh century

2018-10-24 04:25:50 UTC  

But Judaism is, what, 3000, 3500 years old depending on how you count it?

2018-10-24 04:26:22 UTC  

Yeah, but Judaism as we know it began alongside Christianity.

2018-10-24 04:26:57 UTC  

Rabbinic Judaism arose at the same time as Christianity, and both came from the same line.

2018-10-24 04:27:36 UTC  

I mean, Buddhism is 2600 years old

2018-10-24 04:27:57 UTC  

And that is the youngest of the Dharmic religions I believe, excluding Sikhism.

2018-10-24 04:28:28 UTC  

The problem is that Abrahamic religions are exclusivists

2018-10-24 04:28:29 UTC  

I don't know, it just seems disingenuous to try and change religious doctrine based off of what sells, rather than what one believes the truth to be.