Message from @Bookworm

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2018-10-24 18:21:07 UTC  

*Hypostasis*

2018-10-24 18:21:48 UTC  

so you belive god have always existed?
but universe cant be always existed?

2018-10-24 18:22:12 UTC  

That is the general Christian worldview

2018-10-24 18:22:30 UTC  

The difference is that God did not create the Universe

2018-10-24 18:22:55 UTC  

The Universe is the result of complete totality coming into contact with absolute nothingness.

2018-10-24 18:23:26 UTC  

It is as light is, it always seeks darkness to fill.

2018-10-24 18:24:21 UTC  

Those things could never have existed logically

2018-10-24 18:24:36 UTC  

why you think there have to be starting point?
Why there have to be nothingness before universe came to be?
why it cant just be always been there?

2018-10-24 18:24:37 UTC  

The Universe lies below the Aeons (divine realms fashioned in conscious thought) and is personified as the being Yaldabaoth, the great balancer/

2018-10-24 18:25:01 UTC  

Complete totality could never have been seperate in order to come into contact with absolute nothingness

2018-10-24 18:25:18 UTC  

going to deep into theism here

can't really apply and logic here

2018-10-24 18:25:37 UTC  

Because the existence of something automatically destroys the existence of nothingness

2018-10-24 18:25:51 UTC  

semantics

2018-10-24 18:26:00 UTC  

what is nothing?

what is something?

2018-10-24 18:26:01 UTC  

If there is only something, there isn't everything.

2018-10-24 18:26:41 UTC  

But if there IS something, there is no absolute nothingness either

2018-10-24 18:26:44 UTC  

this universe is the bottom aethyr of 30 - it was nothing until the higher aethyrs touched the nothingness to create our plain of existance

2018-10-24 18:27:00 UTC  

Dark Holes are an example of absolute nothingness

2018-10-24 18:27:01 UTC  

something along those lines as per the books of enoch

2018-10-24 18:27:09 UTC  

^

2018-10-24 18:27:17 UTC  

If there's one subject that could be singled out as the most difficult to discuss through text over the internet, metaphysics would probably be a strong contender.

2018-10-24 18:27:29 UTC  

What is a dark hole?

2018-10-24 18:27:31 UTC  

black holes are technically physical objects though

2018-10-24 18:27:44 UTC  

their mass is just so great

2018-10-24 18:27:48 UTC  

Black holes are huge amounts of mass

2018-10-24 18:28:13 UTC  

Theyre so massive that they have a pull on photons

2018-10-24 18:28:20 UTC  

So they can't be seen

2018-10-24 18:29:05 UTC  

just think - the amount of shear mass in a black whole, there may be an entire universe inside one, we ourselves could be inside a giant black hole. Our universe was created when our black hole formed

2018-10-24 18:29:51 UTC  

there is not an entire universe in them though

we have a basic understanding how how black holes come to be, and therefore what they're made of

2018-10-24 18:30:20 UTC  

multiverse theory is a hypothesis

2018-10-24 18:30:40 UTC  

no grounds for it's truth, but no way to disprove it

2018-10-24 18:31:09 UTC  

just a theory

2018-10-24 18:32:21 UTC  

Interesting thought, but the universe shows an ability to expand and contract, whereas black holes can only gain mass

2018-10-24 18:33:16 UTC  

Or at least, it is theorised that way, the problem with many things this big is the amount of belief and assumptions that you have to make

2018-10-24 18:33:38 UTC  

https://curiosity.com/topics/there-might-be-a-universe-inside-every-black-hole-curiosity/
another bit of explanation
```Black holes form when a very massive star dies and its core collapses into a space so small that not even light can escape it. The boundary that delineates that point of no return is called the event horizon, and a sort of opaque "wrapping" that doesn't let you see the singularity itself. Importantly, as matter falls into the black hole, the event horizon grows: rapidly at first as the black hole begins to form, then more slowly as matter falls in at a lower rate.

During the first trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, the universe expanded incredibly rapidly — faster than the speed of light. (Since space was technically being created, that universal speed limit didn't have much sway). Over time, that expansion slowed down. Doesn't that sound a lot like a black hole's event horizon? Is it possible that our universe is the event horizon in some other universe's black hole?```

2018-10-24 18:34:52 UTC  

could just be a similarity

2018-10-24 18:35:05 UTC  

we can't say anything for sure

2018-10-24 18:35:46 UTC  

all we can do is list off what something "isn't"

which is the scientific method

2018-10-24 18:36:11 UTC  

When it comes to the nature of this Universe, the scientific method supersedes religion

2018-10-24 18:36:16 UTC  

A black hole is mass though and the universe has plenty of space where thre is no mass