Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 18:38:55 UTC  

and one of the theories why spiral galaxies don't fly apart as they should if there was just empty space

2018-10-24 18:39:39 UTC  

referring to dark matter?

2018-10-24 18:40:26 UTC  

gravitino

2018-10-24 18:41:51 UTC  

good ol' subatomic particle heavier/larger than neutrino I believe

2018-10-24 18:47:43 UTC  

The original statment about atheism being a religion is incorrect, because while there may be organised atheists that believe a particular set of things, there are also atheists that are not organised and do not believe a specific set of things

2018-10-24 18:54:18 UTC  

There are many different types of Christians, some are more organized while others are small churches or entirely independent.

2018-10-24 18:54:48 UTC  

But all are based on the same core tenets

2018-10-24 18:54:55 UTC  

Atheism is not

2018-10-24 18:54:57 UTC  

Atheism has the core tenet of refuting religion

2018-10-24 18:55:02 UTC  

Incorrect

2018-10-24 18:55:11 UTC  

then what is atheism?

2018-10-24 18:58:34 UTC  

It isnt about refuting religion, there may be some who make it a point to talk about atheism as an opposite to religion but as I said earlier, atheism is more about the simple premice that there is no god

2018-10-24 19:00:16 UTC  

So there is a core tenet.

2018-10-24 19:01:59 UTC  

In that respect yes I would have to agree, although it is impossilbe for there to be a way of thinking that contains no tenets

2018-10-24 19:02:13 UTC  

you have core tenet to not belive my spagetti monster.

2018-10-24 19:04:15 UTC  

When it comes down to it there are probably only a handful more universal core tenets that you could find in all of Christians. These could become pretty distinct, like the Miaphysites or the Nasrani for example.

2018-10-24 19:04:38 UTC  

Religion is more than a tenet or set of tenets though, it is a system of belief that sometimes includes ritual or tradition

2018-10-24 19:06:13 UTC  

You are right in that atheism lacks any ritual or tradition, which is its problem.

2018-10-24 19:07:27 UTC  

If you really want to stretch the definition of religion, just state that the scientific method and the scientific community are those aspects

2018-10-24 19:07:52 UTC  

But the thing is, that you can do that for anything

2018-10-24 19:08:05 UTC  

That is the point of the Tech Priests in 40k.

2018-10-24 19:08:14 UTC  

Religion is more than that though

2018-10-24 19:08:42 UTC  

When we use the word religion it is in reference to a supernatural being to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:01 UTC  

I will concede that atheism isn't a religion in of itself, but atheism is often not packaged on its own.

2018-10-24 19:09:37 UTC  

Atheism rejects a supernatural god to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:56 UTC  

and even the existence of one

2018-10-24 19:10:25 UTC  

I believe that religion is innate to humans and not the Universe, but it is essential part of our being and not one that should be starved.

2018-10-24 19:12:26 UTC  

christianity is jewsih.

2018-10-24 19:12:29 UTC  

I think atheism can lead someone susceptible into another ideology that surplants the role that religion usually has.

2018-10-24 19:12:52 UTC  

salvation is from the jews" john 4:22

2018-10-24 19:13:49 UTC  

If we can agree that the only thing seperating religion from any other way of thinking, that involves ritual and tradition, is the supernatural entity, then what you are saying is that it is inherent that all should need to be fulfilled by a supernatural entity

2018-10-24 19:14:48 UTC  

God is not an active being

2018-10-24 19:14:57 UTC  

That would suggest a lack of free will

2018-10-24 19:17:54 UTC  

Humans are the only beings we know to have a higher consciousness, I believe the conscious mind to be the closest thing to God that we know exists.

2018-10-24 19:18:52 UTC  

Like Yeshua Ha'Notzri says, "The kingdom is inside you, and all around you."

2018-10-24 19:20:54 UTC  

The Prophet does not become a Prophet by doing nothing, the Prophet must manifest out what was envisioned to him.

2018-10-24 19:21:06 UTC  

I would ttend to agree that the uniqueness of the human consciousness is a phenomenon that could lead to that conclusion, but it is also impossible for us to know whether there is or is not consciousness within any other living being in the universe

2018-10-24 19:21:41 UTC  

And if they do share consciousness like ours, I would call them Humans.

2018-10-24 19:22:43 UTC  

I believe Human to be the idea of the sentient being, in a literal sense we are just Hominids.

2018-10-24 19:23:19 UTC  

There does not require there to be a god for any of those things to be true though

2018-10-24 19:23:35 UTC  

They don't, but they can be explained by it.