Message from @Dvir

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2018-10-24 18:29:05 UTC  

just think - the amount of shear mass in a black whole, there may be an entire universe inside one, we ourselves could be inside a giant black hole. Our universe was created when our black hole formed

2018-10-24 18:29:51 UTC  

there is not an entire universe in them though

we have a basic understanding how how black holes come to be, and therefore what they're made of

2018-10-24 18:30:20 UTC  

multiverse theory is a hypothesis

2018-10-24 18:30:40 UTC  

no grounds for it's truth, but no way to disprove it

2018-10-24 18:31:09 UTC  

just a theory

2018-10-24 18:32:21 UTC  

Interesting thought, but the universe shows an ability to expand and contract, whereas black holes can only gain mass

2018-10-24 18:33:16 UTC  

Or at least, it is theorised that way, the problem with many things this big is the amount of belief and assumptions that you have to make

2018-10-24 18:33:38 UTC  

https://curiosity.com/topics/there-might-be-a-universe-inside-every-black-hole-curiosity/
another bit of explanation
```Black holes form when a very massive star dies and its core collapses into a space so small that not even light can escape it. The boundary that delineates that point of no return is called the event horizon, and a sort of opaque "wrapping" that doesn't let you see the singularity itself. Importantly, as matter falls into the black hole, the event horizon grows: rapidly at first as the black hole begins to form, then more slowly as matter falls in at a lower rate.

During the first trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, the universe expanded incredibly rapidly — faster than the speed of light. (Since space was technically being created, that universal speed limit didn't have much sway). Over time, that expansion slowed down. Doesn't that sound a lot like a black hole's event horizon? Is it possible that our universe is the event horizon in some other universe's black hole?```

2018-10-24 18:34:52 UTC  

could just be a similarity

2018-10-24 18:35:05 UTC  

we can't say anything for sure

2018-10-24 18:35:46 UTC  

all we can do is list off what something "isn't"

which is the scientific method

2018-10-24 18:36:11 UTC  

When it comes to the nature of this Universe, the scientific method supersedes religion

2018-10-24 18:36:16 UTC  

A black hole is mass though and the universe has plenty of space where thre is no mass

2018-10-24 18:37:52 UTC  

there is that "missing mass" thing where it's probably not empty space but mass we can't observe yet

2018-10-24 18:38:55 UTC  

and one of the theories why spiral galaxies don't fly apart as they should if there was just empty space

2018-10-24 18:39:39 UTC  

referring to dark matter?

2018-10-24 18:40:26 UTC  

gravitino

2018-10-24 18:41:51 UTC  

good ol' subatomic particle heavier/larger than neutrino I believe

2018-10-24 18:47:43 UTC  

The original statment about atheism being a religion is incorrect, because while there may be organised atheists that believe a particular set of things, there are also atheists that are not organised and do not believe a specific set of things

2018-10-24 18:54:18 UTC  

There are many different types of Christians, some are more organized while others are small churches or entirely independent.

2018-10-24 18:54:48 UTC  

But all are based on the same core tenets

2018-10-24 18:54:55 UTC  

Atheism is not

2018-10-24 18:54:57 UTC  

Atheism has the core tenet of refuting religion

2018-10-24 18:55:02 UTC  

Incorrect

2018-10-24 18:55:11 UTC  

then what is atheism?

2018-10-24 18:58:34 UTC  

It isnt about refuting religion, there may be some who make it a point to talk about atheism as an opposite to religion but as I said earlier, atheism is more about the simple premice that there is no god

2018-10-24 19:00:16 UTC  

So there is a core tenet.

2018-10-24 19:01:59 UTC  

In that respect yes I would have to agree, although it is impossilbe for there to be a way of thinking that contains no tenets

2018-10-24 19:02:13 UTC  

you have core tenet to not belive my spagetti monster.

2018-10-24 19:04:15 UTC  

When it comes down to it there are probably only a handful more universal core tenets that you could find in all of Christians. These could become pretty distinct, like the Miaphysites or the Nasrani for example.

2018-10-24 19:04:38 UTC  

Religion is more than a tenet or set of tenets though, it is a system of belief that sometimes includes ritual or tradition

2018-10-24 19:06:13 UTC  

You are right in that atheism lacks any ritual or tradition, which is its problem.

2018-10-24 19:07:27 UTC  

If you really want to stretch the definition of religion, just state that the scientific method and the scientific community are those aspects

2018-10-24 19:07:52 UTC  

But the thing is, that you can do that for anything

2018-10-24 19:08:05 UTC  

That is the point of the Tech Priests in 40k.

2018-10-24 19:08:14 UTC  

Religion is more than that though

2018-10-24 19:08:42 UTC  

When we use the word religion it is in reference to a supernatural being to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:01 UTC  

I will concede that atheism isn't a religion in of itself, but atheism is often not packaged on its own.

2018-10-24 19:09:37 UTC  

Atheism rejects a supernatural god to be worshipped

2018-10-24 19:09:56 UTC  

and even the existence of one