Message from @SantaSoc

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2018-11-09 18:32:10 UTC  

Yes, I would say that's so, by definition.

2018-11-09 19:55:21 UTC  

if you grew up in that system, you would believe it appropriate. Just as someone who grew up in a western value system would view it an inappropriate

2018-11-09 19:56:39 UTC  

now, you might be able to set them as not equal to each-other if you define a set of near objectable metrics for what equals "better". For example the amount of human suffering.

2018-11-09 19:58:40 UTC  

Basing a system of morality on human suffering seems pretty deeply flawed.

2018-11-09 19:58:59 UTC  

Why should any two systems agree about the right amount of human suffering?

2018-11-09 21:23:55 UTC  

someone doesnt understand ideas

2018-11-09 21:25:10 UTC  

all knowledge is integrated here are the basics

2018-11-09 21:25:24 UTC  

percepts come from our senses and our concrete objects

2018-11-09 21:25:36 UTC  

we form these percept into concepts based on what we see

2018-11-09 21:26:38 UTC  

also once enough people understand something a concept becomes a generalization the discussion of concepts and how credible they are lies in the information required for the concept

2018-11-09 21:26:56 UTC  
2018-11-09 21:28:08 UTC  

of course people jump to concepts without defining the percepts but that makes contradiction and with a contradiction check your premises one will be wrong

2018-11-09 21:29:23 UTC  

we also put concepts into groups

2018-11-09 21:32:54 UTC  

just to remind you reason is non contradictory logic

2018-11-09 21:41:41 UTC  

But our current age of society is based upon morals and legalities, so in what way is this concept of trans ageism palpable to the common person in a way that allows it to not conflict with the previous sets of morals defined by society as a no go level. When we discuss policies and laws that go into effect at a governmental level, we deny one group the right to have said morals and encourage others to push for their advocation of their morals. But one thing in a group setting that worked is the majority ruled based on group opinion, backed up by reason and evidence. But is feelings enough evidence to overturn a society's way of behaving socially? Is it the individual that gets to decide that or the group? The problem like I said earlier is that our government coins what is reasonable and that is also pushed by objective bias, which isnt a negative thing but isnt the entire goal perceived by us. When we as a society determine something as a group to hold true and then upend it based upon individual opinions then we allow for others to do the same thing. The problem isnt with the previous statement more of the state of the current society which is unstable socially. Where we need rules or guidelines for what is morally correct we often get the opposite with people trying to test other boundaries.

2018-11-09 21:41:47 UTC  
2018-11-09 21:42:29 UTC  

@SantaSoc I have the answers

2018-11-09 21:42:55 UTC  

I have the pizza

2018-11-09 21:43:22 UTC  

id argue people dont have morals

2018-11-09 21:45:11 UTC  

I am of the perception morals are instilled upon us by the person who surround is in our formative years, mist likely our parents.

2018-11-09 21:45:37 UTC  

It isnt 4 am sir

2018-11-09 21:46:39 UTC  

@SantaSoc define morals

2018-11-09 21:48:05 UTC  

of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior :ETHICAL

2018-11-09 21:49:17 UTC  

: expressing or teaching a conception of right behaviora moral poem

conforming to a standard of right behavior took a moral position on the issue though it cost him the nomination

: sanctioned by or operativeon one's conscience or ethical judgmenta moral obligation

: capable of right and wrong action

2018-11-09 21:50:12 UTC  

@SantaSoc altruisms morals is determined by the group

2018-11-09 21:51:13 UTC  

Basically conforming to a standard of right or wrong, which is the societal level of morality.

2018-11-09 21:51:54 UTC  

yeah that should be switched to a individual level predicated on objectivism

2018-11-09 21:57:46 UTC  

My gosh, it's been ages since I've heard someone defend an objective standard of morality.

2018-11-09 21:57:54 UTC  

Music to my ears.

2018-11-09 21:58:31 UTC  

What

2018-11-09 22:06:30 UTC  
2018-11-09 22:14:30 UTC  

@Bookworm do you read any philosophers?

2018-11-09 22:15:00 UTC  

My philosophical background is largely Thomist Aristotelean with some Stoicism.

2018-11-09 22:15:20 UTC  

Marcus Aurelius and the Enchiridion, mostly.

2018-11-09 22:15:21 UTC  

Incoming philosophy class with the nerd

2018-11-09 22:15:56 UTC  

@Bookworm Thomist? as in Thomas Aquinas?

2018-11-09 22:17:11 UTC  

Yes.

2018-11-09 22:17:34 UTC  

The figurative dwarf on the giant's shoulder.

2018-11-09 22:17:50 UTC  

@Bookworm oh ive read a bit of Aristotle a bit of Plato and mostly Ayn Rand

2018-11-09 22:18:48 UTC  

Ayn Rand and Aristotle was the only one gave a objective morality

2018-11-09 22:18:55 UTC  

from what I believe