Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-11-23 19:05:45 UTC  

There can be no laws which allow for the abridgement of citizen privileges. There is no caveat that the citizen is exempt from abridging their own privileges.

2018-11-23 19:06:20 UTC  

Thus, a citizen is not allowed to abridge their own privilege to life.

2018-11-23 19:07:05 UTC  

"You're not allowed to die. You must express yourself"

2018-11-23 19:09:23 UTC  

So, on the topic of grand jury.
1-correct
2-no. The defense has absolutely no role in a grand jury and the accused may not even know that charges are pending.
3- Grand jury is to prevent the tyranny of a district attorney. Any felony accusation must be deemed credible by a jury before prosecution can occur.
4- yes
5- Grand juries have a rather low bar. All we assess is whether if, assuming all the testimony and evidence is true, there is a credible case that could result in a guilty verdict.
6-Yes, the threshold is different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction
7- All I know is that they are citizens doing the best the can to perform their civic duty.

2018-11-23 19:11:06 UTC  

Does a grand jury convict?

2018-11-23 19:11:14 UTC  

Never

2018-11-23 19:11:24 UTC  

They simply act as gatekeepers to prosecution

2018-11-23 19:12:18 UTC  

Where is it written in the Constitution that we have a "privilege to life"?

2018-11-23 19:13:07 UTC  

Thank you for your answers

2018-11-23 19:13:28 UTC  

Ah. Well, if we do not, that simplifies things greatly.

2018-11-23 19:13:48 UTC  

So, a law that allows for the killing of individuals on the spot would then be a legitimate right of a state?

2018-11-23 19:13:56 UTC  

Due process

2018-11-23 19:13:59 UTC  

And would not be in conflict with the 14th amendment.

2018-11-23 19:14:24 UTC  

So, an individual kills himself, there is no problem with due process.

2018-11-23 19:14:35 UTC  

An individual kills another, and suddenly there is a problem with due process?

2018-11-23 19:14:42 UTC  

Why is that?

2018-11-23 19:14:56 UTC  

Because you can't prosecute a dead person.

2018-11-23 19:15:18 UTC  

Ah, so you admit they are breaking the law. It is simply impossible to punish them for it.

2018-11-23 19:16:08 UTC  

Sure.

2018-11-23 19:16:31 UTC  

So, allowing for assisted suicide *is* a breach of the 14th amendment.

2018-11-23 19:16:32 UTC  

I'll see where this leads

2018-11-23 19:16:35 UTC  

_Where is it written in the Constitution that we have a "privilege to life"?_
As far as I know it is not written in the constitution, but the Declaration of Independence.
_life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...._

2018-11-23 19:17:25 UTC  

If there is no law against suicide, I'm still not sure how we can say due process was violated

2018-11-23 19:20:38 UTC  

Murder being the unlawful killing of a human being with intent beforehand.

2018-11-23 19:20:53 UTC  

Thus, there is no legal divide between suicide and murder.

2018-11-23 19:24:27 UTC  

That is determioned by the wording of the statute

2018-11-23 19:27:13 UTC  

Wait, so an attempted suicide is attempted murder?

2018-11-23 19:27:20 UTC  

So, if suicide is legal, then a man may kill himself without concern for due process?

2018-11-23 19:28:03 UTC  

I would say yes.

2018-11-23 19:28:19 UTC  

Then, if murder is legal, a man may kill another man without concern for due process.

2018-11-23 19:29:25 UTC  

I'm curious to see where you take this next. I won't bite but for sake of argument let's just suppose I did for entertainment value.

2018-11-23 19:30:13 UTC  

Laws must be applied equally and with logical consistency. Anything less is corruption and a breakdown of governance.

2018-11-23 19:32:18 UTC  

I'll agree to that

2018-11-23 19:32:39 UTC  

*looks around waiting for the trap to go off*

2018-11-23 19:34:28 UTC  

There is no trap, Cat. All I'm trying to do is to understand to the best of my ability and try to help others do the same.

2018-11-23 19:47:05 UTC  

Oh, cool. I like those debates. 😃

2018-11-23 21:18:19 UTC  
2018-11-24 18:51:51 UTC  

I personally detest civil forfeiture. It's a conflict of interest. If you must do it, the money should go to state coffers and totally bypass local government. Is there actually any debate here on this topic? I'm just curious.

2018-11-24 18:52:04 UTC  

Seems like a topic where right and left may actually agree.

2018-11-24 18:53:48 UTC  

Tbh I think that if your selling drugs out of your car, your license should be permanently revoked