Message from @DrYuriMom

Discord ID: 515605943011115038


2018-11-23 18:46:34 UTC  

Go for it

2018-11-23 18:47:14 UTC  

A) is basically is there enough evidence for a group of peers to believe you committed a crime, B) There must be more than before, C) And finally, The evidence in facts proves they committed it

2018-11-23 18:50:39 UTC  

I'm pretty sure that's not what reasonable doubt is.

2018-11-23 18:52:53 UTC  

I;ll come back to this in a bit. Too busy in general ^^;

2018-11-23 18:58:30 UTC  

Let's move over here, I think it's fair to say this is becoming a debate.

2018-11-23 18:58:56 UTC  

No one is taking life away except the individual taking their own life

2018-11-23 18:59:07 UTC  

Which is itself an abridgement of the citizen's privileges.

2018-11-23 18:59:24 UTC  

Thus, enforcing a law which allows it is a breach of the amendment.

2018-11-23 19:04:53 UTC  

The citizen has no right to determine their own actions upon oneself? That doesn't strike me as liberty.

2018-11-23 19:05:45 UTC  

There can be no laws which allow for the abridgement of citizen privileges. There is no caveat that the citizen is exempt from abridging their own privileges.

2018-11-23 19:06:20 UTC  

Thus, a citizen is not allowed to abridge their own privilege to life.

2018-11-23 19:07:05 UTC  

"You're not allowed to die. You must express yourself"

2018-11-23 19:09:23 UTC  

So, on the topic of grand jury.
1-correct
2-no. The defense has absolutely no role in a grand jury and the accused may not even know that charges are pending.
3- Grand jury is to prevent the tyranny of a district attorney. Any felony accusation must be deemed credible by a jury before prosecution can occur.
4- yes
5- Grand juries have a rather low bar. All we assess is whether if, assuming all the testimony and evidence is true, there is a credible case that could result in a guilty verdict.
6-Yes, the threshold is different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction
7- All I know is that they are citizens doing the best the can to perform their civic duty.

2018-11-23 19:11:06 UTC  

Does a grand jury convict?

2018-11-23 19:11:14 UTC  

Never

2018-11-23 19:11:24 UTC  

They simply act as gatekeepers to prosecution

2018-11-23 19:12:18 UTC  

Where is it written in the Constitution that we have a "privilege to life"?

2018-11-23 19:13:07 UTC  

Thank you for your answers

2018-11-23 19:13:28 UTC  

Ah. Well, if we do not, that simplifies things greatly.

2018-11-23 19:13:48 UTC  

So, a law that allows for the killing of individuals on the spot would then be a legitimate right of a state?

2018-11-23 19:13:56 UTC  

Due process

2018-11-23 19:13:59 UTC  

And would not be in conflict with the 14th amendment.

2018-11-23 19:14:24 UTC  

So, an individual kills himself, there is no problem with due process.

2018-11-23 19:14:35 UTC  

An individual kills another, and suddenly there is a problem with due process?

2018-11-23 19:14:42 UTC  

Why is that?

2018-11-23 19:14:56 UTC  

Because you can't prosecute a dead person.

2018-11-23 19:15:18 UTC  

Ah, so you admit they are breaking the law. It is simply impossible to punish them for it.

2018-11-23 19:16:08 UTC  

Sure.

2018-11-23 19:16:31 UTC  

So, allowing for assisted suicide *is* a breach of the 14th amendment.

2018-11-23 19:16:32 UTC  

I'll see where this leads

2018-11-23 19:16:35 UTC  

_Where is it written in the Constitution that we have a "privilege to life"?_
As far as I know it is not written in the constitution, but the Declaration of Independence.
_life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...._

2018-11-23 19:17:25 UTC  

If there is no law against suicide, I'm still not sure how we can say due process was violated

2018-11-23 19:20:38 UTC  

Murder being the unlawful killing of a human being with intent beforehand.

2018-11-23 19:20:53 UTC  

Thus, there is no legal divide between suicide and murder.

2018-11-23 19:24:27 UTC  

That is determioned by the wording of the statute

2018-11-23 19:27:13 UTC  

Wait, so an attempted suicide is attempted murder?

2018-11-23 19:27:20 UTC  

So, if suicide is legal, then a man may kill himself without concern for due process?

2018-11-23 19:28:03 UTC  

I would say yes.

2018-11-23 19:28:19 UTC  

Then, if murder is legal, a man may kill another man without concern for due process.

2018-11-23 19:29:25 UTC  

I'm curious to see where you take this next. I won't bite but for sake of argument let's just suppose I did for entertainment value.

2018-11-23 19:30:13 UTC  

Laws must be applied equally and with logical consistency. Anything less is corruption and a breakdown of governance.