Message from @Bookworm

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2018-11-24 18:54:07 UTC  

Beyond what jail time you get

2018-11-24 18:55:52 UTC  

License, yeah. But your property? These laws have been used to take the houses of parents whose kids were selling drugs against their will or without their knowledge.

2018-11-24 18:55:53 UTC  

Your clearly a danger to others cause they could drive high

2018-11-24 18:56:23 UTC  

People drive without licenses all the time

2018-11-24 18:57:12 UTC  

Well, there are situations like that, but a home is different from a car

2018-11-24 18:58:20 UTC  

The question before the court will be if such automatic seizures that then directly benefit local government should be protected from the Constitutional prohibition against disproportionate fines

2018-11-24 18:58:53 UTC  

Or whether this practice is unconstitutional based on the 8th

2018-11-24 18:59:06 UTC  

Well its definitely unconstitutional

2018-11-24 18:59:41 UTC  

Thst much I agree on

2018-11-25 00:50:38 UTC  

This topic is fascinating to me. What good would taking someone's property be if the person is already going to jail?

2018-11-25 00:51:20 UTC  

I don't understand the question.

2018-11-25 00:51:26 UTC  

There is no gain from taking the car away from someone who wasn't doing the crime aswell. Like the story of the parent care being taken awa

2018-11-25 00:51:32 UTC  

By taking their property, you have their assets and can use them for yourself.

2018-11-25 00:52:41 UTC  

But that doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you'll help. I don't see why the government should be allowed to take ones car away if the car won't even be used by the dealer once in jail anyway

2018-11-25 00:53:24 UTC  

It sorta makes the situation worse for the people around the crime

2018-11-25 00:53:31 UTC  

Like the parents

2018-11-25 00:54:43 UTC  

I suppose the argument would be "this person has gained these assets through criminal activity, and thus has no legitimate claim to them."

2018-11-25 00:55:01 UTC  

"They will instead be taken by the state and used for government assets."

2018-11-25 00:55:30 UTC  

Like, I don't think the government is allowed to take your car if you get arrested for assault.

2018-11-25 00:56:08 UTC  

That is the basic argument. The issue is the property may not even be owned by the guilty person and it creates a perverse incentive for local police departments to take property that they immediately benefit directly from.

2018-11-25 00:57:59 UTC  

That's the problem but what I want to know is what the logic behind taking ones property away from a criminal

2018-11-25 00:58:03 UTC  

The same issue arises with those civil forfeiture cases that we talked about earlier.

2018-11-25 00:58:12 UTC  

Right, I just explained it.

2018-11-25 00:58:30 UTC  

But what about the case of the car belonging to the parenta

2018-11-25 00:58:44 UTC  

That's Spanish for parents

2018-11-25 01:00:15 UTC  

It kinda means that any asset used for crime can be taken away, to who the asset actually belongs to be damn

2018-11-25 01:00:43 UTC  

Yes, civil asset forfeiture cases.

2018-11-25 01:00:46 UTC  

So not only could my car be taken away from the criminal it will be taken by the cops

2018-11-25 01:01:23 UTC  

To some extent, I can see the purpose of such activity. Regardless of your complicity with the crime, the property was involved, and is thus evidence in a criminal case.

2018-11-25 01:01:35 UTC  

However, yes, it should eventually be returned to the proper owner.

2018-11-25 01:01:59 UTC  

Is that reality though. Will certain property be returned?

2018-11-25 01:02:22 UTC  

I can see why a house will be given back but a car?

2018-11-25 01:13:49 UTC  

With civil forfeiture laws the property is never returned.

2018-11-25 01:14:36 UTC  

It's sold and the money goes into the local jurisdiction's coffers

2018-11-25 01:24:27 UTC  

where it gets handed out to the cops.

2018-11-25 01:32:39 UTC  

Well that fucking sucks. Kinda ruined my day

2018-11-25 02:59:22 UTC  

We will see what the Supremes have to say about it

2018-11-25 06:20:50 UTC  

@Bookworm in the case of attempted suicide, couldn't you strictly claim self defense, because the person you tried to kill was pointing a gun at you, for instance?

2018-11-25 12:01:10 UTC  

@DrYuriMom civil forfeiture laws are often used by corrupt cops to take property from things such as traffic stops. They will claim "this looks like drugs", take money and the like, then go "oh, our mistake" and never give back the money.