Message from @DrYuriMom

Discord ID: 516085460955561985


2018-11-25 00:54:43 UTC  

I suppose the argument would be "this person has gained these assets through criminal activity, and thus has no legitimate claim to them."

2018-11-25 00:55:01 UTC  

"They will instead be taken by the state and used for government assets."

2018-11-25 00:55:30 UTC  

Like, I don't think the government is allowed to take your car if you get arrested for assault.

2018-11-25 00:56:08 UTC  

That is the basic argument. The issue is the property may not even be owned by the guilty person and it creates a perverse incentive for local police departments to take property that they immediately benefit directly from.

2018-11-25 00:57:59 UTC  

That's the problem but what I want to know is what the logic behind taking ones property away from a criminal

2018-11-25 00:58:03 UTC  

The same issue arises with those civil forfeiture cases that we talked about earlier.

2018-11-25 00:58:12 UTC  

Right, I just explained it.

2018-11-25 00:58:30 UTC  

But what about the case of the car belonging to the parenta

2018-11-25 00:58:44 UTC  

That's Spanish for parents

2018-11-25 01:00:15 UTC  

It kinda means that any asset used for crime can be taken away, to who the asset actually belongs to be damn

2018-11-25 01:00:43 UTC  

Yes, civil asset forfeiture cases.

2018-11-25 01:00:46 UTC  

So not only could my car be taken away from the criminal it will be taken by the cops

2018-11-25 01:01:23 UTC  

To some extent, I can see the purpose of such activity. Regardless of your complicity with the crime, the property was involved, and is thus evidence in a criminal case.

2018-11-25 01:01:35 UTC  

However, yes, it should eventually be returned to the proper owner.

2018-11-25 01:01:59 UTC  

Is that reality though. Will certain property be returned?

2018-11-25 01:02:22 UTC  

I can see why a house will be given back but a car?

2018-11-25 01:13:49 UTC  

With civil forfeiture laws the property is never returned.

2018-11-25 01:14:36 UTC  

It's sold and the money goes into the local jurisdiction's coffers

2018-11-25 01:24:27 UTC  

where it gets handed out to the cops.

2018-11-25 01:32:39 UTC  

Well that fucking sucks. Kinda ruined my day

2018-11-25 02:59:22 UTC  

We will see what the Supremes have to say about it

2018-11-25 06:20:50 UTC  

@Bookworm in the case of attempted suicide, couldn't you strictly claim self defense, because the person you tried to kill was pointing a gun at you, for instance?

2018-11-25 12:01:10 UTC  

@DrYuriMom civil forfeiture laws are often used by corrupt cops to take property from things such as traffic stops. They will claim "this looks like drugs", take money and the like, then go "oh, our mistake" and never give back the money.

2018-11-25 12:03:21 UTC  

personally, those laws are BS and to an extent just contribute to recidivism rate.

2018-11-25 17:53:01 UTC  

The supremes? Aren't they backup singers?

2018-11-25 17:59:39 UTC  

I call SCOTUS "The Supremes" It's just a Cat-ism

2018-11-25 23:14:49 UTC  

@Timcast please don’t have Sargon on again he has falsely accused people of being pedophiles after the person made fun of sargon

2018-11-25 23:25:45 UTC  

@DrYuriMom i approve this catism

2018-11-26 01:17:53 UTC  

>bringing Jimtism back into the mix
Can this shit just die please?

2018-11-26 01:18:15 UTC  

Jimtism???

2018-11-26 04:03:25 UTC  

Sargon (Carl Benjamin) sphere has been in conflict with Metokur's (Jim) sphere. Sargon also hasn't accused Jim of pedophilia, he has accused him of grooming his audience to be especially malicious to his foes and amorous towards him, which he has.

2018-11-26 04:05:12 UTC  

Jimtism is a derivative of Autism, and in my opinion it is an apt characterization of his audience. When they feel the need to constantly tease Carl over his stillborn child you begin to realize the caliber of the people you are dealing with.

2018-11-26 04:11:39 UTC  

It's true. Jim is one of the last public figures of the old guard of the internet.

2018-11-26 04:12:02 UTC  

The people that reveled in the anonymity and used it to just...be the worst possible people. Because they can, and they find it amusing.

2018-11-26 04:32:29 UTC  

Who is Jim

2018-11-26 04:32:41 UTC  

Metokur?

2018-11-26 04:32:49 UTC  

I'm not familiar with that feud at all

2018-11-26 04:32:59 UTC  

Or the people besides Sargon

2018-11-26 05:20:58 UTC  

Yeah Jim is just some deeply closeted gay man

2018-11-26 14:24:14 UTC  

Thats not what sargon said @Dvir