Message from @Bookworm
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Thst much I agree on
This topic is fascinating to me. What good would taking someone's property be if the person is already going to jail?
I don't understand the question.
There is no gain from taking the car away from someone who wasn't doing the crime aswell. Like the story of the parent care being taken awa
By taking their property, you have their assets and can use them for yourself.
But that doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you'll help. I don't see why the government should be allowed to take ones car away if the car won't even be used by the dealer once in jail anyway
It sorta makes the situation worse for the people around the crime
Like the parents
I suppose the argument would be "this person has gained these assets through criminal activity, and thus has no legitimate claim to them."
"They will instead be taken by the state and used for government assets."
Like, I don't think the government is allowed to take your car if you get arrested for assault.
That is the basic argument. The issue is the property may not even be owned by the guilty person and it creates a perverse incentive for local police departments to take property that they immediately benefit directly from.
That's the problem but what I want to know is what the logic behind taking ones property away from a criminal
The same issue arises with those civil forfeiture cases that we talked about earlier.
Right, I just explained it.
But what about the case of the car belonging to the parenta
That's Spanish for parents
It kinda means that any asset used for crime can be taken away, to who the asset actually belongs to be damn
Yes, civil asset forfeiture cases.
So not only could my car be taken away from the criminal it will be taken by the cops
To some extent, I can see the purpose of such activity. Regardless of your complicity with the crime, the property was involved, and is thus evidence in a criminal case.
However, yes, it should eventually be returned to the proper owner.
Is that reality though. Will certain property be returned?
I can see why a house will be given back but a car?
With civil forfeiture laws the property is never returned.
It's sold and the money goes into the local jurisdiction's coffers
where it gets handed out to the cops.
Well that fucking sucks. Kinda ruined my day
We will see what the Supremes have to say about it
@Bookworm in the case of attempted suicide, couldn't you strictly claim self defense, because the person you tried to kill was pointing a gun at you, for instance?
@DrYuriMom civil forfeiture laws are often used by corrupt cops to take property from things such as traffic stops. They will claim "this looks like drugs", take money and the like, then go "oh, our mistake" and never give back the money.
personally, those laws are BS and to an extent just contribute to recidivism rate.
The supremes? Aren't they backup singers?
I call SCOTUS "The Supremes" It's just a Cat-ism
@Timcast please don’t have Sargon on again he has falsely accused people of being pedophiles after the person made fun of sargon
@DrYuriMom i approve this catism
>bringing Jimtism back into the mix
Can this shit just die please?
Jimtism???
Sargon (Carl Benjamin) sphere has been in conflict with Metokur's (Jim) sphere. Sargon also hasn't accused Jim of pedophilia, he has accused him of grooming his audience to be especially malicious to his foes and amorous towards him, which he has.
Jimtism is a derivative of Autism, and in my opinion it is an apt characterization of his audience. When they feel the need to constantly tease Carl over his stillborn child you begin to realize the caliber of the people you are dealing with.
It's true. Jim is one of the last public figures of the old guard of the internet.