for the university and the surrounding area

Oh, yeah of course. All I'm saying is that you can't look at crime rates and go, oh so rape is less of a thing on campus then off. Because crime is a very broad category and is confounded by a lot of variables. I think the best way to get at sexual violence rates is to ask people directly with surveys.

1 in 5 is not hyperbolic, its complete bullsh...that would make an american campus more dangerous the congo.

Its far from perfect, but you are way less likely to get false positives then false negatives

i don't lnow a single sane person that defends 1 in 5

@I AM ERROR, Summers is a bit off on that point.

in the congo it's 40% over their LIFETIME not 4-5 years.

That's not why she is off and we have to be clear about what the 1 in 5 claim really is.

i don't know what she says so i can't argue why she is or is not off

and the 1 in 5 claim currently is used for everything from catcalling to rape depending on who you are talking to

I mean you've literally ripped her talking point word for word so that would surprise me. Okay. But the actually 'study' was about sexual misconduct.

She compares that to Congo's rape stats, which is far from apples to apples

catcalling is a microagression

i looked up google where the most rapes occour...

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The survey found that 1,073 women, or 19 percent, said that they experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college. The actual breakdown was that 12.6 percent experienced attempted sexual assault and 13.7 percent experienced actual sexual assault. (There was some overlap.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/05/01/one-in-five-women-in-college-sexually-assaulted-the-source-of-this-statistic/?utm_term=.eb987237232a

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf

This a voluntary response study over two universities. It's got a lot of problems but that number includes 'attempted sexual assault' which if memory serves, was far too broadly defined for my liking.

what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

and why is a survey about sexual assault cited when people are talking about rape

> what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

The first page of the linked study goes into this in detail

To your second point, Idk, I didn't do that. People are misinformed about this stuff a lot and the politicization doesn't help

i can agree with that

@cmdline that survey literally has the question ```Has someone had sexual contact with you when you were
unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were passed out, drugged, drunk,
incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks about
incidents that you are certain happened. ```

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@ping Yes it does, so?

it counts drunk sex...

No, it counts sex where someone is so drunk that they cannot meaningfully conest

It reads stop what was happening because you were drunk

Not, just "were drunk"

no it said unable to provide consent OR stop what's happening
i thought if you are drunk you can't consent

i see the problem with knowing that it happened while being passed out

well no because they can leave evidence and someone could witness

so that part makes sense

Yes but @I AM ERROR is right, there is a small under reporting bias because passed out people might not know they were raped/assaulted

Though it might actaully result in over-reporting from people who are unsure and so think they did. This seems unlikely to me

i don't really care if its under- or over-reported, but i question the accuracy in general

@ping, you can definitely consent while drunk according to this survey. The point is that you can't stop your abuser because you are so intoxicated you can't move and so on. It's definitely a bit of a grey area but nothing as bad as "drunk sex = rape"

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