All i can say with relative certainty, is that on my campus (and i've heard this is normal) the number of reported sexual incidents on surveys is much higher than normal. it depends on a lot of things of course, how do you define sexual violence/rape, what counts as on campus and so on

But what is unequivocally clear is that college-aged girls who actually attend university are very much at risk of victimization

That said, the 1 in 5 statistic is laughably hyperbolic

well to make a proper comparison you have to look at the methods you apply on campus to the surrounding city and break it down to the type of incident

for example many include drunk sex

I've never seen a study that included sex while intoxicated

And i've read a number of them

in detroit, the crime rate of the Wayne State university area is a LOT lower than the surrounding city

Well that's obvious

But you have to consider how often sexual violence goes unreported

for both sides

And that crime is a much broader category than sexual violence

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For both sides???

for the university and the surrounding area

Oh, yeah of course. All I'm saying is that you can't look at crime rates and go, oh so rape is less of a thing on campus then off. Because crime is a very broad category and is confounded by a lot of variables. I think the best way to get at sexual violence rates is to ask people directly with surveys.

1 in 5 is not hyperbolic, its complete bullsh...that would make an american campus more dangerous the congo.

Its far from perfect, but you are way less likely to get false positives then false negatives

i don't lnow a single sane person that defends 1 in 5

@I AM ERROR, Summers is a bit off on that point.

in the congo it's 40% over their LIFETIME not 4-5 years.

That's not why she is off and we have to be clear about what the 1 in 5 claim really is.

i don't know what she says so i can't argue why she is or is not off

and the 1 in 5 claim currently is used for everything from catcalling to rape depending on who you are talking to

I mean you've literally ripped her talking point word for word so that would surprise me. Okay. But the actually 'study' was about sexual misconduct.

She compares that to Congo's rape stats, which is far from apples to apples

catcalling is a microagression

i looked up google where the most rapes occour...

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The survey found that 1,073 women, or 19 percent, said that they experienced attempted or completed sexual assault since entering college. The actual breakdown was that 12.6 percent experienced attempted sexual assault and 13.7 percent experienced actual sexual assault. (There was some overlap.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/05/01/one-in-five-women-in-college-sexually-assaulted-the-source-of-this-statistic/?utm_term=.eb987237232a

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf

This a voluntary response study over two universities. It's got a lot of problems but that number includes 'attempted sexual assault' which if memory serves, was far too broadly defined for my liking.

what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

and why is a survey about sexual assault cited when people are talking about rape

> what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

The first page of the linked study goes into this in detail

To your second point, Idk, I didn't do that. People are misinformed about this stuff a lot and the politicization doesn't help

i can agree with that

@cmdline that survey literally has the question ```Has someone had sexual contact with you when you were
unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were passed out, drugged, drunk,
incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks about
incidents that you are certain happened. ```

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