Message from @I AM ERROR

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2018-01-21 16:32:12 UTC  

-sigh- And thus you should assume that you can.

2018-01-21 16:32:12 UTC  

let alone something that was in the final survey

2018-01-21 16:32:24 UTC  

(and just to make it clear: if you sexually abuse/rape someone you are a pos asshole and get locked up for whatever time possible according to the law)

2018-01-21 16:32:31 UTC  

why would i assume something that has a significant impact on the results?

2018-01-21 16:32:32 UTC  

Why would they need to state, by the way, you know that kind of sex that happens the most

2018-01-21 16:32:35 UTC  

We don't think that is rape

2018-01-21 16:33:18 UTC  

This is borderline deliberate misundertanding now @ping

2018-01-21 16:33:23 UTC  

no.

2018-01-21 16:33:23 UTC  

the issue is the wording depends on whether or not you think drunk people can consent

2018-01-21 16:33:35 UTC  

give me a person who thinks drunk people can't consent

2018-01-21 16:33:39 UTC  

And who has published anything in this field

2018-01-21 16:33:55 UTC  

Like 1 single person

2018-01-21 16:33:55 UTC  

well, there are people that think its rape when the woman changes her mind a week after... 😒

2018-01-21 16:34:29 UTC  

And i doubt those people have published anything.

2018-01-21 16:35:02 UTC  

@cmdline can't find anyone credible but it's about the opinion of the people taking the survey not the most credible answer

2018-01-21 16:35:47 UTC  

I suppose that much is true. That said, the question clearly states "unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were... drunk"

2018-01-21 16:36:16 UTC  

If someone interprets that as "I took 1 shot, I was raped!" then sure, but i see no evidence that that is a significant issue.

2018-01-21 16:36:54 UTC  

No reasonable person is going to look back at pleasant sexual experience while intoxicated and report it as rape because they were intoxicated

2018-01-21 16:37:20 UTC  

uhhhhhhhhhh

2018-01-21 16:37:25 UTC  

matress girl?

2018-01-21 16:38:34 UTC  

@cmdline but those people might have an impact on the survey results if they were part of the interviewed (that is my problem with survey based studies in general, btw.)

2018-01-21 16:39:00 UTC  

survey based studies are fine

2018-01-21 16:39:01 UTC  

But what % of the population consists of people like mattress girl

2018-01-21 16:39:17 UTC  

you just have to compensate for selection bias as much as possible

2018-01-21 16:39:50 UTC  

The major problem with this study is it was voluntary response. People went online and answered because they wanted to, not because the survey was palced in front of them. They had to be motivated to take it.

2018-01-21 16:40:03 UTC  

Which is going to select for victims

2018-01-21 16:40:03 UTC  

i'd say more than 5% of the population are batshit insane enough to roll with a lie like that if they had social incentive

2018-01-21 16:40:36 UTC  

So say 5% of respondents did that (i don't think so but w.e)

2018-01-21 16:40:43 UTC  

That sifts the numbert marginally

2018-01-21 16:40:44 UTC  

5? try 50%, people are as self serving as they come

2018-01-21 16:41:03 UTC  

yeah but it diddnt even work out that well for her

2018-01-21 16:41:25 UTC  

@cmdline well... voluntary response disqualifies the study completely.

2018-01-21 16:41:45 UTC  

not really

2018-01-21 16:41:59 UTC  

you have to concider how many people see the study

2018-01-21 16:42:16 UTC  

if it's not random selection it has no value to me

2018-01-21 16:42:27 UTC  

definitely more effective

2018-01-21 16:42:28 UTC  

@I AM ERROR, I feel like you don't do a lot of social sciences research

2018-01-21 16:42:39 UTC  

i don't

2018-01-21 16:42:50 UTC  

*social* *science*

2018-01-21 16:42:57 UTC  

skeptic hat tilts forward

2018-01-21 16:43:06 UTC  

Then you should probably refrain from laying down the law on this stuff.