well no because they can leave evidence and someone could witness

so that part makes sense

Yes but @I AM ERROR is right, there is a small under reporting bias because passed out people might not know they were raped/assaulted

Though it might actaully result in over-reporting from people who are unsure and so think they did. This seems unlikely to me

i don't really care if its under- or over-reported, but i question the accuracy in general

@ping, you can definitely consent while drunk according to this survey. The point is that you can't stop your abuser because you are so intoxicated you can't move and so on. It's definitely a bit of a grey area but nothing as bad as "drunk sex = rape"

wdym

i don't see anything that explains whether or not you can consent while drunk

-sigh- And thus you should assume that you can.

let alone something that was in the final survey

(and just to make it clear: if you sexually abuse/rape someone you are a pos asshole and get locked up for whatever time possible according to the law)

why would i assume something that has a significant impact on the results?

Why would they need to state, by the way, you know that kind of sex that happens the most

We don't think that is rape

This is borderline deliberate misundertanding now @ping

no.

the issue is the wording depends on whether or not you think drunk people can consent

give me a person who thinks drunk people can't consent

And who has published anything in this field

Like 1 single person

well, there are people that think its rape when the woman changes her mind a week after... 😒

And i doubt those people have published anything.

@cmdline can't find anyone credible but it's about the opinion of the people taking the survey not the most credible answer

I suppose that much is true. That said, the question clearly states "unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were... drunk"

If someone interprets that as "I took 1 shot, I was raped!" then sure, but i see no evidence that that is a significant issue.

No reasonable person is going to look back at pleasant sexual experience while intoxicated and report it as rape because they were intoxicated

uhhhhhhhhhh

matress girl?

@cmdline but those people might have an impact on the survey results if they were part of the interviewed (that is my problem with survey based studies in general, btw.)

survey based studies are fine

But what % of the population consists of people like mattress girl

you just have to compensate for selection bias as much as possible

The major problem with this study is it was voluntary response. People went online and answered because they wanted to, not because the survey was palced in front of them. They had to be motivated to take it.

Which is going to select for victims

i'd say more than 5% of the population are batshit insane enough to roll with a lie like that if they had social incentive

So say 5% of respondents did that (i don't think so but w.e)

That sifts the numbert marginally

5? try 50%, people are as self serving as they come

yeah but it diddnt even work out that well for her

@cmdline well... voluntary response disqualifies the study completely.

not really