Message from @I AM ERROR
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This a voluntary response study over two universities. It's got a lot of problems but that number includes 'attempted sexual assault' which if memory serves, was far too broadly defined for my liking.
what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?
and why is a survey about sexual assault cited when people are talking about rape
> what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?
The first page of the linked study goes into this in detail
To your second point, Idk, I didn't do that. People are misinformed about this stuff a lot and the politicization doesn't help
i can agree with that
@cmdline that survey literally has the question ```Has someone had sexual contact with you when you were
unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were passed out, drugged, drunk,
incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks about
incidents that you are certain happened. ```
😂
it counts drunk sex...
No, it counts sex where someone is so drunk that they cannot meaningfully conest
It reads stop what was happening because you were drunk
Not, just "were drunk"
no it said unable to provide consent OR stop what's happening
i thought if you are drunk you can't consent
i see the problem with knowing that it happened while being passed out
well no because they can leave evidence and someone could witness
so that part makes sense
Yes but @I AM ERROR is right, there is a small under reporting bias because passed out people might not know they were raped/assaulted
Though it might actaully result in over-reporting from people who are unsure and so think they did. This seems unlikely to me
@ping, you can definitely consent while drunk according to this survey. The point is that you can't stop your abuser because you are so intoxicated you can't move and so on. It's definitely a bit of a grey area but nothing as bad as "drunk sex = rape"
wdym
i don't see anything that explains whether or not you can consent while drunk
-sigh- And thus you should assume that you can.
let alone something that was in the final survey
(and just to make it clear: if you sexually abuse/rape someone you are a pos asshole and get locked up for whatever time possible according to the law)
why would i assume something that has a significant impact on the results?
Why would they need to state, by the way, you know that kind of sex that happens the most
We don't think that is rape
no.
the issue is the wording depends on whether or not you think drunk people can consent
give me a person who thinks drunk people can't consent
And who has published anything in this field
Like 1 single person
well, there are people that think its rape when the woman changes her mind a week after... 😒
And i doubt those people have published anything.
@cmdline can't find anyone credible but it's about the opinion of the people taking the survey not the most credible answer
I suppose that much is true. That said, the question clearly states "unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were... drunk"
If someone interprets that as "I took 1 shot, I was raped!" then sure, but i see no evidence that that is a significant issue.