Message from @I AM ERROR

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2018-01-21 16:20:44 UTC  

This a voluntary response study over two universities. It's got a lot of problems but that number includes 'attempted sexual assault' which if memory serves, was far too broadly defined for my liking.

2018-01-21 16:21:09 UTC  

what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

2018-01-21 16:21:36 UTC  

and why is a survey about sexual assault cited when people are talking about rape

2018-01-21 16:22:09 UTC  

> what exactly qualifies as sexual assault?

The first page of the linked study goes into this in detail

2018-01-21 16:22:38 UTC  

To your second point, Idk, I didn't do that. People are misinformed about this stuff a lot and the politicization doesn't help

2018-01-21 16:24:32 UTC  

i can agree with that

2018-01-21 16:24:44 UTC  

@cmdline that survey literally has the question ```Has someone had sexual contact with you when you were
unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were passed out, drugged, drunk,
incapacitated, or asleep? This question asks about
incidents that you are certain happened. ```

2018-01-21 16:24:45 UTC  

😂

2018-01-21 16:25:05 UTC  

@ping Yes it does, so?

2018-01-21 16:26:08 UTC  

it counts drunk sex...

2018-01-21 16:26:26 UTC  

No, it counts sex where someone is so drunk that they cannot meaningfully conest

2018-01-21 16:26:43 UTC  

It reads stop what was happening because you were drunk

2018-01-21 16:26:51 UTC  

Not, just "were drunk"

2018-01-21 16:28:04 UTC  

no it said unable to provide consent OR stop what's happening
i thought if you are drunk you can't consent

2018-01-21 16:28:11 UTC  

i see the problem with knowing that it happened while being passed out

2018-01-21 16:28:32 UTC  

well no because they can leave evidence and someone could witness

2018-01-21 16:28:37 UTC  

so that part makes sense

2018-01-21 16:28:59 UTC  

Yes but @I AM ERROR is right, there is a small under reporting bias because passed out people might not know they were raped/assaulted

2018-01-21 16:29:19 UTC  

Though it might actaully result in over-reporting from people who are unsure and so think they did. This seems unlikely to me

2018-01-21 16:30:04 UTC  

i don't really care if its under- or over-reported, but i question the accuracy in general

2018-01-21 16:30:31 UTC  

@ping, you can definitely consent while drunk according to this survey. The point is that you can't stop your abuser because you are so intoxicated you can't move and so on. It's definitely a bit of a grey area but nothing as bad as "drunk sex = rape"

2018-01-21 16:31:43 UTC  

wdym

2018-01-21 16:31:55 UTC  

i don't see anything that explains whether or not you can consent while drunk

2018-01-21 16:32:12 UTC  

-sigh- And thus you should assume that you can.

2018-01-21 16:32:12 UTC  

let alone something that was in the final survey

2018-01-21 16:32:24 UTC  

(and just to make it clear: if you sexually abuse/rape someone you are a pos asshole and get locked up for whatever time possible according to the law)

2018-01-21 16:32:31 UTC  

why would i assume something that has a significant impact on the results?

2018-01-21 16:32:32 UTC  

Why would they need to state, by the way, you know that kind of sex that happens the most

2018-01-21 16:32:35 UTC  

We don't think that is rape

2018-01-21 16:33:18 UTC  

This is borderline deliberate misundertanding now @ping

2018-01-21 16:33:23 UTC  

no.

2018-01-21 16:33:23 UTC  

the issue is the wording depends on whether or not you think drunk people can consent

2018-01-21 16:33:35 UTC  

give me a person who thinks drunk people can't consent

2018-01-21 16:33:39 UTC  

And who has published anything in this field

2018-01-21 16:33:55 UTC  

Like 1 single person

2018-01-21 16:33:55 UTC  

well, there are people that think its rape when the woman changes her mind a week after... 😒

2018-01-21 16:34:29 UTC  

And i doubt those people have published anything.

2018-01-21 16:35:02 UTC  

@cmdline can't find anyone credible but it's about the opinion of the people taking the survey not the most credible answer

2018-01-21 16:35:47 UTC  

I suppose that much is true. That said, the question clearly states "unable to provide consent or stop what was happening
because you were... drunk"

2018-01-21 16:36:16 UTC  

If someone interprets that as "I took 1 shot, I was raped!" then sure, but i see no evidence that that is a significant issue.