Message from @I AM ERROR
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I don't think their questions are overly vague
well you can't know how much breaking them down affects the results because they diddn't do that
you are needlessly throwing away information
@I AM ERROR, i don't mind that methodology, but they still have to be able to leave the survey after finding out what it is
sure
@ping I haven't looked nearly closely enough to know what the effects of their filters were'
but they shouldn't be able to sign up BECAUSE of the topic
@I AM ERROR, agreed, that is a flaw in the survey. It's far from disqualifying, but its a problem
see, i can see flaws without working in the field myself 😉 if it's disqualifying... to me it is in this instance but that depends on the topic really...
@I AM ERROR, I never said you couldn't criticize the study. You can and should do that with all information presented to you
@I AM ERROR, you should be less certain of your critiques
Its hard to say what the effects of that were and its unfair to just disregard the study. Here is the thing. If you issue a survey at a college with 20k people
And get 2k responses
And 20% of them are affirmative
i'm never certain of any of my critiques because i never assume that i have all the needed information
Then you know for sure
that 20% of 2k people
reported sexual violence
('were raped seems strong)
And so you know a minimum rate for the campus (the absurd case in which every victim responded)
idk let me see
3.1.3 and 3.2.2 should be of interest to you
and 6.2 and 6.3 perhaps
afaik there is no posting of the survey
How about they just don't go out and get drunk around a bunch of guys they don't know?
Any personal responsibility there?
Going out and getting drunk is a choice.
With a consequence all of society knows about.
being drunk? puking?
@JadenFrostwolf Yes people should consider that this stuff happens and should temper the actions accordingly, that doesn't excuse rape.
Oh come on, I don't think *anyone* says what I just did to "excuse" rape, and to try to say that I was doing so is disingenuous.
"None of the five measures of substance use since entering college were statistically
associated with being a victim of forced sexual assault during college."
hard to believe, but it's there
@JadenFrostwolf Sounds a lot like that since no one was having a conversation about rape prevention and you chimed in with what sounds like victim blaming
how would i know the accuracy of the study if i don't know the survey questions?
Not victim blaming, just people being responsible.
"the large majority of victims of sexual assault are victimized by men they know and
trust, rather than strangers. " <- from the study
yeah the most significant factor was being in a relationship with some form of physical/verbal/mental abuser
True, I shouldn't have said 'they don't know' because I remember learning about that in class, but my point about being weary still stands.
so... back to prohibition?
Yeah, *totally* what I'm advocating...