on a related note, I'm wondering if there's any way to persuade Kathy to watch Cassie Jaye's TED Talk - in it Cassie talks about how she used to do the same thing back when she was of a feminist mindset

And to get her to see her "The Red Pill" documentary.

I'm wondering if it could be a good way to prod people into listening to what they're actually being told rather than what they think they're being told

I still need to watch the Red Pill myself, so not sure if Cassie actually explains how she used to think when she started the project

She does. Admittedly, she does spend more time on the MRA's point of view more than feminists, but she does both justice pretty alright. There was one part in there, however, where I am not ashamed to admit that I cried.

Where they were talking about boko haram.

Boko Haram is the islamist group that is against girls being educated if I'm remembering right?

Yeah.

All you heard about them was that they stop girls from getting an education, and kidnapped them that one time, right?

What you don't hear about is what they do to the boys.
They light them on fire.

aye, they don't report that on the news

And that they were killing the boys for months, and often the reports would use terms such as "people" or "villagers", even though they were mostly men, but since there was *one* woman in the group, they used the term "people."

And that that they only got the attention they did from the world once the kidnapped those girls.

Killing men and boys for months, even years, in unimaginable ways such as lighting them on fire.
Yet when they kidnap some girls, the world freaked out.
"#BringBackOurGirls"

This was an important lesson for them, obviously. "Just stick to brutally killing men. Noone cares about the men."

"They light them on fire."

Oh.

This got dark, didn't it? lol

I mean, hey, the darker parts of Islamist groups need to be showcased. Not enough light is being shed on it, because people are afraid of offending Muslims. If only they'd get on board with Muslim reformation, and see the current religion as it truly is. So many people are a prisoner of that faith, afraid to speak out, or run from their oppressors. That and pile onto that the fact many people have only known Islam. So when you have the atrocities on one hand, and basically all you've ever known on another, things tend to become muddled. Whereas, in other peoples' cases, they've been on the outside, looking in, seeing the problems rising from Islamic extremism.

The media is, in a sense, making peoples' chances of escape from actual maniacs that much harder by refusing to attribute the radical Islamist tag on pretty much any act of terrorism. And then there's the reality of them straight-up ignoring some attacks. A lot of attacks, actually. I have to actually look up the terrorist attacks in Europe. You'd think something like that would be top news. People are dying, and yet still, so many are willing to turn a blind eye. The literally only thing that they are accomplishing is further entrenching good people within their own prison. The prison that they, in the majority of cases, were born into.

And it's giving really shitty people free reign. It somewhat reminds me of the recruitment process of _actual_ white nationalists. Not this _blanket statement_ made up by many left-leaning individuals, who use it to discredit and defame their ideological and opinionated opponents. Basically, stories have been going around where (actual) white nationalists and skinheads have been recruiting kids and others at a young age who have been discarded by society. And what becomes of this is a sort of _"what if" situation. What _if_ these kids hadn't been manipulated and warped into someone else's twisted image at such a young age? Would they have been good people if they hadn't been thrown away so easily?

That's why I'm for Islamic reformation. _Technically,_ it makes little to no sense in one regard. Faith is about believing in something blindly, not changing what you have faith in. So it's kind of stupid on that front. Otherwise, why did you ever have faith to begin with if you were just going to change it? But on another more important side of things, Islam isn't going to go away. So the best chance the world has to step in the right direction is Islamic reformation, where the Qu'ran is revisted and revised to better fit a more peaceful and less barbaric way of life.

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>rambling

Oh. My bad.

Let’s just say if Islam is the religion of peace than I really don’t want to know what the religion of war is.

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This is compounded by the fact that many, about half (probably more) of the incoming migrants and refugees are completely illiterate in their own language.

@CreativeRealms the argument is that they are peaceful when islam is supreme

I am Supreme.

I have to chuckle whenever I see a feminist supporting Islam as a whole while literally being willfully ignorant and blind to the many shortcomings it possesses. Like, you'd literally have to _actively_ avoid and purposefully forget, or not believe no matter what, details here and there that challenge your position.

Sounds like a full-time job imo

When people get obssesed with identity politics, it can lead to them having some pretty contradictory views.

It's why I don't really identify as anything politically wise.

Yeah, I never got around to figuring out what I even am

I guess I just saw it as a waste of time

I've only ever taken the political compass test, for the most part, and a couple of other online tests.

Taking the compass test two years in a row as put me in the exact same spot each time.

With a very minor shift.

ISideWith is the most accurate in my opinion.

I side with my ignorance

I don't like that one, actually.

It’s the only one that put me as republican.

Not only is it longer than I care for, but many of the questions either don't have an answer that I actually agree with, or are worded in such a way where I feel compelled to answer in one way or another without actually agreeing with that answer.

Political compass had me at extreme centrist.