the only reason why third world countries are exploited is because **the citizens don't have rights**

politicians of countries that are poor have an incentive to sell their country to immoral corporate entities

I’m all for capitalism to a degree , I don’t think trans national companies should be able to dominate completely an area or gain to much power because they have a massive impact on politics too.

you could argue that capitalism facilitates that, but any government structure is capable of fucking over another in this way

Agree ping

This isnt some thing that needs to be fixed unless you are a 'for all mankind' type

i suppose thats why socialist countries did so well in surviving corruption over the decades

what with them banning capitalism and all

no it doesn't "just happen" that capitalist countries are the best! don't you understand that its ideas that dictate the fate of a country? Don't you understand that the success is intrinsically linked to the rights of the individual?

because ultimately, a right is a requirement for **life**

and to deprive someone of their rights is to deprive them of their means to live.

i'm with Revolver Ocelot on this

If people are genuinely as free (as we can give them without anarchy) they'll have an incentive to reach the top, they'll work hard, try to be smart

which in turn improves their country

Yes, business as it is today is done by free people who have the right to make their own business or offer their labour to others

I’m not a socialist either mate , honestly I don’t like any modern economic ideologies , there’s lots wrong with all of them , socialism is just communism lite

Freedom is paramount

Liberty over everything

(Civic)

there is no difference between communism and socialism. They both follow the same philosophy.

Singleton , what about when those minorities who think collectively vote you out of your rights for being an evil whitey

they are both morally wrong.

and those Sh*thole countries are also there because the actual smart people from there realise its shitty so they move to the west, hence the west keeps the smart people and the poor countries lose them

I thought communism was the Intended outcome of socialism?

Jayred isn’t that called brain drain

Also yes they both strip the rights of the individual far too much

no, socialism is just a rebranding of communism done in the 20th century.

seriously, learn some history guys

Eh?

we've tread these paths before.

it is, and thats whats causing major damage to those countries too, because when all the good and motivated people leave, whats left? weak idiots easily susceptible to corruption and oppression

go and read "the ominous parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.

When was communism present before the 20th century ?

Will do

Yes jayred , although the places many of these people are coming from wouldn’t succeed anyway because smart people are in a big minority

Socialism = Communism with a state still in tact

but since people can't function without a state to help them, there can never be true communism
hence the closest to it is Socialism, making them essentially the same thing

Communism was invented in the 18th or 19th century.

I see

thats why the soviet union is a "socialist" place but refered to as communists

its essentially the same thing

Also, I'd like to mention that the majority of Nigerian immigrants typically have a high class degree. They are very productive individuals. Don't blame individual people for the political systems they are trying to escape from.

where the idea is that success should be divided amongst everyone, so a "community" can become strong and wealthy

this has never worked in practice because humans are too greedy, lazy and selfish and simply not the same, so there will always be "better workers" that will outdo the bad workers, and will get demotivated cuz all the "extra work" they put in is not rewarded to them but others

this is why people in socialist places tend not to work hard anymore

Communism is morally wrong on principle. It punishes ability and rewards you for being worthless.