More often than not

Anyways

America was the embodiment of the objectivist vision.

yes and as i said, the majority of people will rather be just a middle person in the group than a shining person that asserts individuality

to a large extent

America the embodiment of objectivist vision, please

it wasn't perfect of course

America is just as much subjective as the Soviet Union, the only difference is that they had the luck of siding with Capitalism

notice how I said **was**

and notice how i compared it to the soviet union, i'm talking through all time

you are still only talking about the cold war

i'm talking before that too, the whole point of the civil war was that, where the confederates wanted less rules from the North, less taxes

They asserted themselves as independents, and the Union crushed them for it

in the 19th century, individual rights were paramount, and do you know why? because individual rights were given by god. So when the 20th century comes and atheism rises, the justification for rights, the philosophy, evaporates.

that is where America is today.

thats bullshit, god didn't give people individual rights, the founding fathers did

that is why they are perfectly willing to just throw them away for a few more social programs or whatever.

their justification was god

no it wasn't

in fact it was the opposite

then why do creationists always say "god given rights"?

they wanted a land where anyone could be FREE, regardless of their beliefs, be it spiritual or political

yes I know what they wanted

because creationists are retards that think god created existance

but they couldn't morally justify it through the philosophy of Altruism, so they had to just leave it as god.

If god gave them individual rights, he sure did a nice job of protecting them for the west

I told you, the justification of god has gone. That is why the enlightenment has gone.

Altruism is bull too, people don't do things out of their own kindness, they do it for a personal reward, those that show kindness do it because it makes them feel good, not because they believe in being kind

yes it is

but its the basis for morality in the modern age.

ask yourself: is it moral to be selfish?

yes

is it immoral?

then you are an objectivist.

i don't consider morals to exist

but they do.

morals define ethics which defines what we consider as good and evil.

they don't, morals is just a word used by people to define the line they consider fine, and bad

they are subjective, I agree.

but they do exist.

what you consider good and evil doesn't apply to everyone else

and they are important