Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-01-23 00:46:15 UTC  

Feelings being the issue

2018-01-23 00:46:43 UTC  

Cynicism is the tragedy of our age. It is what prevents people from accepting that when given rights, people don't just murder and steal from each other.

2018-01-23 00:47:02 UTC  

People just want trump to be evil to they get cognitive dissonance and serious biases

2018-01-23 00:47:06 UTC  

the market is the ultimate embodiment of objectivism.

2018-01-23 00:47:23 UTC  

its individuals trading value for value.

2018-01-23 00:47:27 UTC  

i'm not saying people don't have the capacity for reason

I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of people will gladly throw reason aside in order to be in a place where they feel like they belong (the pack)

2018-01-23 00:47:41 UTC  

because they are told to.

2018-01-23 00:47:49 UTC  

no, because its SAFE

2018-01-23 00:47:50 UTC  

No it's inate

2018-01-23 00:48:00 UTC  

"no subjective opinions" is an unrealistic goal

2018-01-23 00:48:17 UTC  

thats not the goal of objectivism...

2018-01-23 00:48:42 UTC  

Humans will naturally prefer something more dogmatic and mad if it gets them Into the in group

2018-01-23 00:48:44 UTC  

its asserting that you have a mind and a right to use it.

2018-01-23 00:49:15 UTC  

no they won't! Are you denying that America exists?

2018-01-23 00:49:26 UTC  

People chose to be irresponsible and ignore or wayleigh truth for the animal desire for acceptance

2018-01-23 00:49:38 UTC  

More often than not

2018-01-23 00:49:39 UTC  

Anyways

2018-01-23 00:49:41 UTC  

America was the embodiment of the objectivist vision.

2018-01-23 00:49:45 UTC  

yes and as i said, the majority of people will rather be just a middle person in the group than a shining person that asserts individuality

2018-01-23 00:49:49 UTC  

to a large extent

2018-01-23 00:50:13 UTC  

America the embodiment of objectivist vision, please

2018-01-23 00:50:34 UTC  

it wasn't perfect of course

2018-01-23 00:50:48 UTC  

America is just as much subjective as the Soviet Union, the only difference is that they had the luck of siding with Capitalism

2018-01-23 00:50:56 UTC  

notice how I said **was**

2018-01-23 00:51:13 UTC  

and notice how i compared it to the soviet union, i'm talking through all time

2018-01-23 00:51:25 UTC  

you are still only talking about the cold war

2018-01-23 00:52:19 UTC  

i'm talking before that too, the whole point of the civil war was that, where the confederates wanted less rules from the North, less taxes

They asserted themselves as independents, and the Union crushed them for it

2018-01-23 00:52:51 UTC  

in the 19th century, individual rights were paramount, and do you know why? because individual rights were given by god. So when the 20th century comes and atheism rises, the justification for rights, the philosophy, evaporates.

2018-01-23 00:53:09 UTC  

that is where America is today.

2018-01-23 00:53:43 UTC  

thats bullshit, god didn't give people individual rights, the founding fathers did

2018-01-23 00:53:48 UTC  

that is why they are perfectly willing to just throw them away for a few more social programs or whatever.

2018-01-23 00:53:55 UTC  

their justification was god

2018-01-23 00:54:01 UTC  

no it wasn't

2018-01-23 00:54:08 UTC  

in fact it was the opposite

2018-01-23 00:54:21 UTC  

then why do creationists always say "god given rights"?

2018-01-23 00:54:27 UTC  

they wanted a land where anyone could be FREE, regardless of their beliefs, be it spiritual or political

2018-01-23 00:54:35 UTC  

yes I know what they wanted

2018-01-23 00:54:38 UTC  

because creationists are retards that think god created existance

2018-01-23 00:55:13 UTC  

but they couldn't morally justify it through the philosophy of Altruism, so they had to just leave it as god.

2018-01-23 00:55:17 UTC  

If god gave them individual rights, he sure did a nice job of protecting them for the west

2018-01-23 00:55:55 UTC  

I told you, the justification of god has gone. That is why the enlightenment has gone.