philosophy is asking questions in everything

collective thinking isn't asking questions, its accepting orders

That is the great truth that Ayn Rand understood but everyone refused to accept

its that Altruism **requires** that you put the group above the individual.

they didn't refuse to accept, they realised Ayn Rand was stupid in her Objectivism

Also philosophy is relevant but the worst part is the post modernism, it's not enough for things to be true

They care who said it, not what is said

**Post-modernism stems from altruism**

Plato ==> Kant ==> Nietzcshe ==> Marx.

Altruism isn't the most human trait as they go

What we're doing right now is Objectivism, trying to find a way without emotions, no subjective opinions, jsut the "flat truth"

Whilst this is waht we would WANT to achieve, humans are group animals, and most are idiots

Objectivism won't work to run a society because idiots will gladly destroy it in name of whatever carrot a smarter person dangles before them

Unless voluntary out of friendship

thats not what objectivism is

I have to admit that this conversation has kinda gone over my head now, so I'm just reading.

you are assuming that people don't have the capacity for reason.

If anything its an overriding of wishful thinking

Feelings being the issue

Cynicism is the tragedy of our age. It is what prevents people from accepting that when given rights, people don't just murder and steal from each other.

People just want trump to be evil to they get cognitive dissonance and serious biases

the market is the ultimate embodiment of objectivism.

its individuals trading value for value.

i'm not saying people don't have the capacity for reason

I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of people will gladly throw reason aside in order to be in a place where they feel like they belong (the pack)

because they are told to.

no, because its SAFE

No it's inate

"no subjective opinions" is an unrealistic goal

thats not the goal of objectivism...

Humans will naturally prefer something more dogmatic and mad if it gets them Into the in group

its asserting that you have a mind and a right to use it.

no they won't! Are you denying that America exists?

People chose to be irresponsible and ignore or wayleigh truth for the animal desire for acceptance

More often than not

Anyways

America was the embodiment of the objectivist vision.

yes and as i said, the majority of people will rather be just a middle person in the group than a shining person that asserts individuality

to a large extent

America the embodiment of objectivist vision, please

it wasn't perfect of course

America is just as much subjective as the Soviet Union, the only difference is that they had the luck of siding with Capitalism

notice how I said **was**

and notice how i compared it to the soviet union, i'm talking through all time

you are still only talking about the cold war