Message from @Dr.Wol
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their justification was god
no it wasn't
in fact it was the opposite
then why do creationists always say "god given rights"?
they wanted a land where anyone could be FREE, regardless of their beliefs, be it spiritual or political
yes I know what they wanted
because creationists are retards that think god created existance
but they couldn't morally justify it through the philosophy of Altruism, so they had to just leave it as god.
If god gave them individual rights, he sure did a nice job of protecting them for the west
I told you, the justification of god has gone. That is why the enlightenment has gone.
Altruism is bull too, people don't do things out of their own kindness, they do it for a personal reward, those that show kindness do it because it makes them feel good, not because they believe in being kind
yes it is
but its the basis for morality in the modern age.
ask yourself: is it moral to be selfish?
yes
is it immoral?
then you are an objectivist.
i don't consider morals to exist
but they do.
morals define ethics which defines what we consider as good and evil.
they are subjective, I agree.
but they do exist.
what you consider good and evil doesn't apply to everyone else
and they are important
I consider religion to be evil, in any form
but what **they** consider good and evil makes all the difference in the world
it does not, what societies consider good and evil changes over time
The problem is that Kant undermined the enlightenment, and the validity of reason, with the explicit purpose of justifying faith.
this paved the way for Christianity.
and then, later, Marx and Nietzsche.
yes, and thats what the left is doing today
yes
now you understand.
i always did
but its not just the left
the right considers altruism to be moral as well.
I agree with the end, just not your ideals of an "enligthenment"
they consider capitalism as a necessary evil at best, and still consider selfishness as immoral.
The way i see it, modern society just replaced God with Socialism
yes