Message from @Dr.Wol

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2018-01-23 01:33:16 UTC  

The equation obviously isn't that simple in my eyes, others can value you and thus suicide is not at all altruistic

2018-01-23 01:33:16 UTC  

ehhh...

2018-01-23 01:33:24 UTC  

I would argue lust is the most selfish emotion

2018-01-23 01:33:29 UTC  

Not all selfishness is inherently bad all the time

2018-01-23 01:33:30 UTC  

lust too

2018-01-23 01:33:34 UTC  

It depends on the situation.

2018-01-23 01:33:35 UTC  

i thought Pride was the strongest emotion

2018-01-23 01:33:36 UTC  

no it isnt

2018-01-23 01:33:48 UTC  

and that lust and all teh other sins came from that

2018-01-23 01:33:56 UTC  

Want is a selfish thing sure, but lust can turn a want into a need that can override ones senses

2018-01-23 01:34:10 UTC  

yes, if it is irrational.

2018-01-23 01:34:21 UTC  

to lust for something is almost akin to want, that's why the two usually come up in the same conversation

2018-01-23 01:34:24 UTC  

Where as want can be sometimes selfless

2018-01-23 01:34:37 UTC  

I can want for the world to be a happy place

2018-01-23 01:34:51 UTC  

that isnt exactly very selfish as wanting something only for me

2018-01-23 01:34:58 UTC  

it's not wrong nor selfish to want to help people make something of themselves and to better their life

2018-01-23 01:35:01 UTC  

where as if i lust for traps long enough

2018-01-23 01:35:05 UTC  

I could become gay o.o

2018-01-23 01:35:06 UTC  

Hunger is the strongest emotion if you're hungry enough

2018-01-23 01:35:10 UTC  

I would like to reiterate. I consider selfishness to be a virtue because it is the means by which I pursue living on earth. That is what it means to be an objectivist.

2018-01-23 01:35:24 UTC  

what if i WANT to go to bed, but people disagree with me on the internet?

2018-01-23 01:35:32 UTC  

lol

2018-01-23 01:35:34 UTC  

provided that it is rational.

2018-01-23 01:35:37 UTC  

Greed is good.

2018-01-23 01:35:48 UTC  

then you are being altruistic by staying up lol

2018-01-23 01:35:51 UTC  

its 2:35 at night! y'all killing me

2018-01-23 01:35:59 UTC  

I'd say voluntary and self-aware sacrifice for the good of others, and truly _wanting_ to do it, isn't even remotely selfish.

2018-01-23 01:36:24 UTC  

now you are learning first hand that altruism is anti-life 😂

2018-01-23 01:36:31 UTC  

Ah but are you soing good and sacrificing for others, or for the good feeling from it?

2018-01-23 01:36:40 UTC  

becuase thats what virtue signaling is

2018-01-23 01:36:41 UTC  

exactly

2018-01-23 01:36:44 UTC  

thats the point

2018-01-23 01:36:51 UTC  

that is a selfish act

2018-01-23 01:36:52 UTC  

Can't I do both?

2018-01-23 01:37:08 UTC  

you can, but its still selfish

2018-01-23 01:37:10 UTC  

Sounds like a consequence that will happen, regardless of your motivation.

2018-01-23 01:37:13 UTC  

short anser no, with an if. Long answer n owith a but.

2018-01-23 01:37:16 UTC  

Nah, I disagree with you.

2018-01-23 01:37:25 UTC  

it can't be altruistic unless it is a duty.

2018-01-23 01:37:26 UTC  

No you just do what I do.

2018-01-23 01:37:34 UTC  

Refuse to get ANY benfit from it