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so some against antifa thing

not really...

fc st. pauli...

kraut sports

they have literally "no football/soccer for the fascists" as a banner in their stadium

Not sure what kraut sports has to do with political alignment

also a niners fan...

ok; so does that extend to antifa or is it just people some X media has proposed is a fascist

its an openly political statement against fascism

OK, but what do you mean by fascism?

i don't know, ask them 😄

Ain't no cookie cutter for that one

i'm just a supporter of the club 😄

if you support it, obviously you'd agree with them, right?

kinda.

Therefore one would expect that you have researched what they mean right?

Otherwise you'd just be conforming for your teams

then again, to quote myself: i can't stand antifa...

i know what they meant when the adopted it

(we -really- had a problem with right-wing/neo-nazi violence back then)

One thing I've come to learn

any movement, group, intent, or even word

can be hijacked.

will

probably right.

that's why i don't align myself with any political movement or the like

and as a rule of thumb... if it ends with "-ism" it's bad

All power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, all great factions are most likely bad factions

mmm. as far as US politics go, I just had a thought cross my mind

'Progressives are people who haven't had a chance to be conservatives yet'.

I.E. any accusations that Conservatives are 'afraid of change' are bunk, because if progressives were to get their way overnight, they'd have the same labels as conservatives now.

progressives are people who can not think for themselves

Not really.

I'd argue both sides suffer that.

depends... there ARE conservatives that can think for themselves... not that many but they exist

but yes, both have the tendency to sound like parrots

its Optimists vs Pessimists

Progressives see changes as "It MIGHT work, we better try it"
Conservatives see changes as "It MIGHT NOT work, we better not try it"

and they shut off any other thought, i'm with Falko on this one
Any rational person can be reasoned with and if a change is reasonable they'll agree

which is why we have accepted gayness, as opposed to throwing those people off of roofs

if you give me a policy proposal i look at it, look at the risk/reward and then make my mind up based on that.

exactly